To wonder why there's no BBC Panorama documentary into racism in the Tory party?

I’ll defend anyone attacked for their appearance. Or their race or sex.

@cardibach just because you don't agree dorky mean my post isn't understandable. Other MPs face criticism of their appearance all the time and I've never seen a defence of others in the way DA is

So, given that you've identified the 'far right' in 4 countries, surely you can define it for me?

Elements
Also that both are called Labour doesn’t mean they are the same.
And you can’t seriously be suggesting our Labour Party is further right than the Tories anyway?

I'm out. You are talking nonsense.

You think personal comments about her appearance and family are ‘general criticism’? That’s what I was questioning.
that particular comment was obliquely referencing race. She gets loads of racist sexist attack - as witness the whole Hestor thing which I assume prompted this thread.
You aren’t making much sense.

Aus has a Labor gov so you have a point

I am backing up what I’m saying.
They aren’t ‘processing them in a different country’ - you do know that, surely? Even if judged genuine they will not be allowed to come to Britain. It’s an unlawful policy.
There are elements in the governments of all those countries that are, yes.

Just because Diane Abbott was pioneering does not exempt her from the general criticism other MPs get, as long as it doesn't become racist / sexist. She isn't perfect, she doesn't need portraying as a saint

Her son is seriously unwell and has no place in this conversation. Shame on you. Doubly so.

I would posit that ignorance is demonstrated by not having anything to back up what you say.

So processing illegal migrants in another country is far right now...

Question for you: do you think that Australia, Denmark, and Israel are 'far right'?

This is basically a fancy version of the ‘they’re all the same’ line. They aren’t. The current Tories have been provably corrupt, law breaking and self serving to a greater extent than any government of any clout that I can remember. So that’s since at least the early 80s.

Wilful ignorance.
thank you for your input.

The Rwanda policy is the only one needed to show it. Against international law.

No definition and no policies.

Thank you for your input.

Like most matters, there are shades of grey in this issue. All political parties are full of racist people. Just like society.

The Tories are not far right. Labour are not far left. They both occupy the centre-ish and snipe at each other. It's useful to label one another as being extreme to create division and lock in voters.

Diane Abbott is very accomplished and very bright but she's no saint, She should know better than to spout antisemitic rubbish. And Frank Hester was racist.

I encourage people to stop thinking along partisan lines and discover the grey in the world. The world would be much better for it.

‘Far left’ is used very casually and with less reason. Racism. A former PM nodding about Tommy Two Names being a hero. Wanting to break international law. If you can’t see it, it’s wilful at this point.

Literally this, what exactly would be the point? If you are unaware of racism in the Tory party, you’ve been living under a rock

Oh come on now. Far right??

First tell me what 'far right' means, and then name a single policy that matches it.

Yep. That's Mumsnet for you though, hardly a surprise.

The BBC are threatened by the Tories on occasion that their funding would be reduced, such as by decriminalisation of the licence fee. A documentary about racists in the Conservative Party would probably result in such action.

Depressing that a thread about racism in politics descends into bashing a black female politician.

Diane Abbott says both parties are as bad as the other. I guess most have other thing to worry about.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68562408

Sorry? What have I missed that doesn’t make her pioneering?
You can disagree with her, dislike her even, but she is a pioneer and offensive personal comments make you seem small and unpleasant.

Neither does your selectiveness.

Her son’s actions are his, not hers. She’s still under investigation but has apologised for her actions.
However

• she attended Cambridge when it was almost unheard of for someone of her background, never mind race
• she was the first black woman to be an MP
• shes still got a majority the envy of other MPs

so, yes, that pioneering woman.
Seriously. Your disdain does you no credit.

You mean the one who's son spits on police officers or the one who insulted Jews? That pioneering woman you mean? Yeah...