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EddyF · 2024-03-14T08:13:59+00:00

What party can I vote for that may have a chance? I do not want to waste a vote but may have to. As a young(ish) Black woman, none of the above present me. I was born here as were my parents. Originally from East Africa. Spent a lot of holidays there as a child but not so much as an adult, otherwise I would seriously think of going back to live there. I have always voted Labour but they are disappointing. For the first time, I am thinking of not voting but it does not sit right within me. I might try the Green Party I guess.

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 18:41

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:20

No, at least Bernie isn’t an antisemite

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True.

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 18:25

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Apologism for antisemitism? That’s a disgusting thing to accuse someone of. You ought to be a lot more careful- playing fast and loose with the word antisemitism as if you can apply it to anyone you want to discredit because you disagree with them politically is a dangerous and vile thing to do

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Sillypede · 21/03/2024 18:05

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:45

Yeah, sure.

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The strength of your argument & the evidence you've pointed to as a means to illustrate your position on this thread have convinced me of my errors.

Who could possibly hold a contrary opinion in the face of such solid reasoning?

Sillypede · 21/03/2024 18:01

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:20

No, at least Bernie isn’t an antisemite

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Depends who you ask. The Washington Examiner called Sander's campaign "the most antisemitic in decades"

It's almost like term is bandied about, without any compelling evidence, simply to discredit someone you disagree with.

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:45

Greywhippet · 21/03/2024 17:35

That’s libel

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Yeah, sure.

Greywhippet · 21/03/2024 17:35

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:20

No, at least Bernie isn’t an antisemite

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That’s libel

EasternStandard · 21/03/2024 17:26

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:52

Wow. I am surprised. Or, maybe I’m not. He has a history of changing his mind. He did used to support Brexit, in a Lexit way (which Tony Benn and Corbyn also did). He changed his mind about that.
Hes talked about Privatisation and Palestine but not biological women’s rights. He still agrees they should be taken away then.
Hmm

This article is last year, wow I’m out of date ref Owen.

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I don’t follow this person, I have heard of him on here but that’s about it.

Does he say who he wants the people who follow him to vote for?

If you’re not on Twitter you don’t really see this stuff

Notonthestairs · 21/03/2024 17:20

Good grief, Jones feeling sorry for himself and moaning about Labour is hardly news. He's not Bernie Sanders, he's just a twat.

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 17:20

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:56

Owen Jones is Bernie Sanders..

No, at least Bernie isn’t an antisemite

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:56

Owen Jones is Bernie Sanders..

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:52

Wow. I am surprised. Or, maybe I’m not. He has a history of changing his mind. He did used to support Brexit, in a Lexit way (which Tony Benn and Corbyn also did). He changed his mind about that.
Hes talked about Privatisation and Palestine but not biological women’s rights. He still agrees they should be taken away then.
Hmm

This article is last year, wow I’m out of date ref Owen.

loubd · 21/03/2024 16:51

purkey97 · 14/03/2024 08:21

None - don't throw your vote away. If you want this current detestable government out, vote Labour, no one else has even the slightest chance. I deal with politicians in my line of work and Labour are just currently playing the game to win - once they get in, they will be able to be more 'Labour' - at the moment they're trying to win over Tory voters. Voting Reform is the only other way the Tories are likely to lose votes, but by the sounds of it they won't represent you either.

yep, which is exactly why I'm
not voting Labour!

BIossomtoes · 21/03/2024 16:48

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:41

Owen Jones is telling everyone not to vote Labour????

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Yup. Excellent reason for doing so in my book.

Redrosetat · 21/03/2024 16:41

User135644 · 21/03/2024 16:26

I really don't want Labour back in. It's one or the other.

Even Owen Jones telling everyone not to vote Labour now. Starmer is a fraud and lied through his teeth to the membership to get the leadership.

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Owen Jones is telling everyone not to vote Labour????

Itscatsallthewaydown · 21/03/2024 16:29

User135644 · 21/03/2024 16:26

I really don't want Labour back in. It's one or the other.

Even Owen Jones telling everyone not to vote Labour now. Starmer is a fraud and lied through his teeth to the membership to get the leadership.

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Yeah, whatever. Vote for any set of cranks you like.

Jason118 · 21/03/2024 16:28

I've found 'but Corbyn' and I claim my £5

User135644 · 21/03/2024 16:26

ntmdino · 21/03/2024 14:23

I'm genuinely curious - what makes you think they're worth another shot? Or, more pertinently, what do you think they can achieve with another term that they haven't had the chance to do with the last four terms and five PMs?

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I really don't want Labour back in. It's one or the other.

Even Owen Jones telling everyone not to vote Labour now. Starmer is a fraud and lied through his teeth to the membership to get the leadership.

User135644 · 21/03/2024 16:25

cardibach · 21/03/2024 13:30

Why are they worth another shot? Have you looked at the various links about how bad things are after they’ve had 14 years? But Starmer doesn’t convince? He can’t possibly be worse…

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Labour aren't the answer.

ntmdino · 21/03/2024 16:19

Jovacknockowitch · 21/03/2024 15:50

This is the battle any opposition to the Tories are faced with.
No matter that by any sane demonstrable measure, 14 years of Tory rule has caused untold damage - somehow it's STILL Labour's fault in some weird way.

No matter that the reckless Tory adventure of Trussenomics has cost us all dearly, or that this government has the highest taxes and borrowing ever, it's obviously Labour you can't trust with the economy.

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To be fair, there are significant portions of the last 14 years which kind of are Labour's fault. As Her Majesty's Opposition, it was their duty to effectively oppose the government where appropriate - and, during Corbyn's time, they utterly failed to do that in reining in the worst of the Conservative excesses. His influence on the situation was, basically, to sit back and do nothing and give them free rein over Brexit, despite ample opportunities to kick them where it hurts and make them moderate their approach.

In allowing them free rein then, it effectively emboldened the furthest-right Tory MPs to go even further. A lot (but certainly not all) of the problems we face right now are down to that time when we desperately needed an Opposition, but didn't have one.

That doesn't change the fact that, in my opinion, we still have to do everything we can to prevent them getting a fifth term, because it's already going to take decades to recover from their mismanagement of the country as it is; we can't abide that being extended, and that means swallowing the bitter pill of voting Labour. Ideology can wait for the next election.

purkey97 · 21/03/2024 16:02

It would literally benefit everyone if we allowed asylum seekers to work, we are one of the only countries not doing this. Makes absolutely zero sense.

KnittedCardi · 21/03/2024 15:53

I can't vote for Labour. No candidates! Do all constituencies eventually get one?? None of the four local constituencies to me have a labour candidate. We have Conservatives, Lib Dems, Reform, Green. Not much choice really........ No interesting independents or whacky parties either. Assume we will eventually get some others ...

Jovacknockowitch · 21/03/2024 15:50

Hartley99 · 21/03/2024 14:22

I won’t be voting Labour, that for sure. Immigration is a major concern for me, and however useless the Tories may have been, Labour will be worse. Centre-left governments always are. Whatever drivel they come out with in front of the cameras, Labour will quietly relax the rules and make it easier for people to enter this country. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe those boatloads of young men are genuine refugees. I work in an office that overlooks a park and often watch groups of young immigrant men gather on the benches to play music and swig cider. Clearly none of them work. And there I am, like a sucker, working to pay for their benefits and housing. This country is unbearably crowded as it is. The traffic is hellish, and much of the local countryside near me is being destroyed by new housing.

Also, I cannot trust Labour on the economy. I have no problem with paying tax. You can make a good case for public spending, if the money is spent wisely. I mean on boosting literacy, funding apprenticeships, increasing the number of working class kids doing STEM degrees, mending the roads, improving public transport, etc. All those things improve society. Properly funding the armed forces and the police is something I also support. But Labour will blow it on ‘diversity and inclusion officers’, new asylum centres, and welfare cheats (and don’t tell me welfare cheats are a minority - I’ve got them in my own flippin family).

This is the battle any opposition to the Tories are faced with.
No matter that by any sane demonstrable measure, 14 years of Tory rule has caused untold damage - somehow it's STILL Labour's fault in some weird way.

No matter that the reckless Tory adventure of Trussenomics has cost us all dearly, or that this government has the highest taxes and borrowing ever, it's obviously Labour you can't trust with the economy.

Jovacknockowitch · 21/03/2024 15:40

User135644 · 21/03/2024 13:11

Still think the Tories are worth another shot, even if Sunak isn't as charismatic as Boris. Starmer doesn't convince me.

You can vote for whoever but in reality Reform would be lucky to win a single seat, Greens 1 or 2 at best, Lib Dems don't stand for anything anyway. Labour or Tories will win because it's first past the post.

Stockholm Syndrome?