I am not voting for Labour or Con…

What a load of utter drivel.

I could never be a one issue voter - because I'm not just voting for me.

I'm in an area where next election will see me in a different constituency. I only need look at the current Tory MP's voting record to know he stands for just a out everything I don't. Voted against gay marriage, voted against landlords being liable for the cost of needed safety works, voted against secure tenancies, voted to make it easier to strip someone if their UK citizenship, voted for mass surveillance of communication, a voted for lower benefits for the disabled, votes against anything to help climate change, voted against improvements to water quality... I could go on.

It was traditionally a safe seat... But a very awesome female Labour member has stood against him. But last election she only lost by 1200 votes, so yes, I will be doing what I can to help her win this time. A lib dem vote would only be helping the Tory MP.

The single issue voters obsessed with sex based rights don't seem to care much about child poverty.

Or even the plight of women in poverty

Absolutely. Just their own little bubble, notwithstanding the effect of all these things on the lives of vulnerable women and children.

or NHS waiting lists, social care, SEN education, courts backlog, GP and dentistry services, etc etc

The single issue voters obsessed with sex based rights don't seem to care much about child poverty.

I never said it was.

And how is that addressing the rise in child poverty?

I haven’t decided who I am voting for yet. I have never voted for the Conservatives. However the way labour ignores and won’t even discuss sex-based rights, means they will never get my vote again unless they address the issue.

Currently they’ve ignored letters about sex based rights, won’t discuss sex based rights on the door step and have filibustered discussion about children and women’s sex-based rights in parliament. They are a disgrace. It is embarrassing for their floundering politicians. I’m not even mentioning their Actual treatment of ‘gc’ women within their own party and others. Or maybe I will. There’s more of this of course.

Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyes in all his glory

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hi5bw

See at about 04:00

So you will be voting to get the Tories out then?

Which does not necessarily means voting Labour, all depends on where you live.

Obviously

So what about women and children in poverty? You want to address that?

UK politicians ‘Not knowing what a woman is’ has the potential to directly negatively affect 51% of the females in the U.K. I’d say that’s around 34million people.

In addition people are not necessarily saying they will ’vote for the same’, only that they probably won’t vote Labour.

There's been a 68% increase in one year in the number of people who don't have enough food to 3.7 million people

but people will vote for the same because of immigration and knowing what a woman is?

@Papyrophile
Where are you planning on moving to? I admire people who move abroad at a later age (I’m the same age as you, btw) but I would find it a huge upheaval and would find learning another language fluently enough to organise my life out there a big effort.

@Papyrophile Then why on earth would you want public funds being used to fill the pockets of private healthcare companies? Or be averse to clawing back some of that unearned wealth from those that have profited?

I've not seen any suggestions regarding a wealth tax in the UK that would touch anyone with less than 3.4million. Either the one off tax versions or the rolling, incremental versions.

Btw, my 40s were sometime ago and I won't be making it to 67, so your pension advice is a bit redundant.

And you see that as a good thing, a reason to vote them in?

They're actually responsible for the state of immigration - they've systematically and consistently degraded the border controls through budget cuts and increased red tape at every step in the last 14 years, while claiming that something needs to be done.

And you think that years 15-20 are the ones where they really, honestly will do something, pinky promise this time?

I was expecting for your dismissal

How's brexit going?

But of course, it will mean our tax money is spent in another country, and won't fund your pet projects.

Chris Patten is a complete Europhile and former EU commissioner - he was previously suggested as a candidate for the EU commission presidency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/17/eu.politics2

@Sillypede I think you confuse me with a person who has done well out of Tory politics, and I haven't. Nor, for the record, has any member of my family, near or distant.

We are not disabled either but the definition of "sick" is elastic: my DH has had very serious heart issues for the last 18 years, but is still working at 68, and I have had breast cancer.

We are only not poor because we took the risks, in our 30s, to create new businesses. We only kept what we earned in our 40s because we looked past the obvious options and and created our own pension (a SIPP, which is as open to you now as it was to us then)

And now we are 67 and 68, we head into retirement still paying taxes because right now, you only need a full state pension to pay tax. The nil rate tax threshold of £12,570 means that £1,200 of Dh's state pension is subject to income tax. Clearly, we earn it, and pay our taxes on that and everything else we saved and what we spend. How much more do you think we should contribute? Because at an (undetermined) point, you discourage ambition totally. I am already thinking that there are other countries with different tax systems that would be happy to take a (slightly) smaller toll. Where perhaps the weather lets you spend more time outdoors. The idea appeals, frankly.

Yes (to me) - he wants to oust Wes Streeting.

When they can beat the Tory. As made very clear in the screenshot further up.

Reform will push them further right on immigration which has got out of hand.

I don't like him either, and his politics are poisoning the whole system. But until enough people decide that, there's a risk he might succeed. I do hope he doesn't.