I am not voting for Labour or Con…

I know, they are in same mess as us
Biden vs Trump. Starmer vs Sunak. Its 2 sides of the same coin

I just can't understand it. Blair and Cameron at least gave the appearance of being credible. Thatcher was authoritative and had a clear direction (possibly not the best direction, but at least she appeared to have a plan).
Same in America, Obama again appeared credible and likable.

But we now seem to have descended into bumbling fool territory. I wonder if its partly social media - everyone is very focused on how they look,cultivating their 'brand' rather than just trying to get the job done

Why would it be cheaper?

You’ll just have two versions of entry. Across the channel still and higher numbers. If you have 100k one way and 40k another it’s not going to be cheap, and you’ll still have drownings.

Do you think that the UK would give permission for asylum seekers who have left to be returned? Why do you think France would? The reason it is so hard to return asylum seekers, even to their country of origin, is because in may cases they are not wanted or we simply have no idea where they are from. If someone without a passport (and they all destroy their passport if they have one on arrival) turns up, where exactly do you send them back to?

I have to vote LibDem to get rid of the Tory MP in my constituency because that is the next biggest party here. If I were to vote Labour, I would actually be aiding the Tory candidate by taking a vote away from the LibDem candidate.
You may also wish to check how you need to vote to get rid of the Tory MP in your area (ps in Scotland every SNP MP is one less MP for Labour and thus aids the Tories in getting back into power).

As they are illegal immigrants so you can send them back. Make them apply legally. And as most come across the channel from France tow them back. Stop sending our life boats to collect them a couple of miles from France.

As has been pointed out below, they are not illegal immigrants until they have been assessed. There are no safe routes for refugees to apply, and arriving and immediately applying for asylum is not illegal. You cannot just tow them back to France, from both an international law point of view, as well as diplomatic point of view, as well as humanitarian point of view. You do know these are people right? The RNLI is a voluntary organisation for saving lives at sea. It is not a branch of the government, or allied to any refugee organisation.

Still cheaper than the Rwanda plan and much more humane

Setting up legal methods isn’t the hard part, we are already do it with about 60k per year using it.

The hard part is not ending up with both. If it’s 60k or 100k safe routes you’ll still have traffickers selling for huge profit.

In a country of so many bright minds, how is it we are stuck with this crappy lot to run our country?

The Americans must be asking themselves the very same thing.

Perhaps it’s a failing of modern-day democracy.

They are not illegal immigrants, seeking asylum is not illegal

As for making them apply legally, how? Even Braverman couldn't answer that question.

😂

Oh. Wokery. 🤣

As they are illegal immigrants so you can send them back. Make them apply legally. And as most come across the channel from France tow them back. Stop sending our life boats to collect them a couple of miles from France.

I struggle with this too.
Not voting tories as they have no direction, infighting and no idea how to get our country out of its current mess, no regard for schools or nhs

Not voting Labour as Gordon Brown decimated my Dads pension pot, and after working from 16 years old, he can't afford to fully retire and he is 73. A pretty healthy 73, but still shouldn't have to work at his age and wouldn't have had to if Gordon Brown hadn't stolen from him. And they also don't seem to have a clue.

And I had a Labour MP in my antenatal group who told me us some very interesting things about labours plans on a boozy night out, and then messaged us the next day basically threatening us to keep quiet as had clearly said more than should have. And pretends to be 'working class by putting on a fake accent when on tv/campaign trail and moaned about how hard she has it with a full time Nanny, a daily cleaner, a gardener and 3 x million pound houses and a husband on a 6 figure salary whilst moaning how little mps get paid. She lost her seat 'up north' but is now standing for election for Labour where I live so not a chance I'm voting for that hypocritical fake.

Used to be a fan of lib dems but they are very quiet now

In a country of so many bright minds, how is it we are stuck with this crappy lot to run our country?

You don't have to vote for someone. Voting against a party is a valid choice. I don't like the government, so I'm going to vote against them - in my area this means voting LibDem as they have the best chance of beating the Tory incumbent.

Spiked online

Having only ever voted Labour, I won’t vote for them this time. Unless they commit to supporting women’s biological rights.

Not sure who I will vote for though.

This article explains the ‘Labour against women issues’. It’s a bit aggressive but it is factual.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/13/tyranny-in-drag/

Tbf Aus do do this and still part of international organisations and no war

They plan to opt us out of human rights acts so illegal migrants just get sent back to the country that was their last port of call before UK. Meaning all the money spent putting them up in 4 star hotels isn't spent.

Sounds so simple doesn't it? Except you can't just deposit asylum seekers back somewhere, under international law, not ECHR. Unless you want to start a war. The only reason we have huge hotel bills is current governments plan to weaponise asylum seeking, which so many people have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker. We are a part of the world, it seems people are wanting the UK to become some weird gated community, without seeking to understand that we have no leverage in the world and will forever need to cooperate with others. No drawbridge to pull up, get real people!

What don't you like about the ECHR other than it prevents the deportation of refugees?

Which rights are you willing to give up for yourself?

Yes it’s the same trend

Where they differ is the electoral system as you say. What that means overall I guess we’ll see. Labour won’t want PR

@ilovesooty but you can read their draft manifesto for yourself. It's on their website. I read 3 or 4 manifesto before deciding who to vote for. They seem like only party with new ideas to me. They know what a woman is and won't be charging students interest on their student loans. I think there is still so much waste in public services. People who make hospital appointments then don't cancel but just don't turn up should be made to pay a fine. Millions gets wasted in do not shows for appointments every month.

@EddyF
Start campaigning for Proportional representation. For a country the size of England to have two realistic options (not including rest of UK who appear to have better party selection) is so limiting and undemocratic.

They plan to opt us out of human rights acts so illegal migrants just get sent back to the country that was their last port of call before UK. Meaning all the money spent putting them up in 4 star hotels isn't spent. They plan to control legal migration more closely too. So no coming to study and bringing your entire extended family with you. Then dropping out of education and extended family all suddenly claiming asylum. They want to get rid of wokery too. Did you know the year before it went bankrupt Birmingham city council (Labour) appointed yet another diversity person paid £103k per year. This when they knew they had overspent already and bankruptcy was inevitable. Getting rid of waste like this in local government.

I'm voting Reform. No, they wont get in, but every party has to start somewhere.

If you dont want the tories in again you have to vote labour. Because of our fptp system

It may bit be your prefered oprion but you have ti look at what will be the better outcome