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Should I report a whatsapp group to my son’s school ?

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M2BANTRIM · 11/03/2024 22:30

So I am a mum of an 11 year old boy and about a year ago we decided to get him a cellphone so that he can have access to his homework which is usually sent on a school app and we downloaded WhatsApp for him as well . As a backstory we are from a southern African country I do not want to mention living in the UK so WhatsApp allowed him to keep in touch with grandparents and extended family . About a month ago , he told me that he had been added to a group chat and within minutes he was crying hysterically. He showed me his phone only to discover that a meme of a black boy with bulging eyes had been sent on the chat and someone had captioned my son’s name . This sent me into a rage and I managed to contact the boy’s mum who had sent it and she apologised and the son did as well and I just decided not to further escalate it . So my son doesn’t really open his WhatsApp and can go for 3-4 days without been on it and I can check on his 'last seen' . I discovered that he had over 900 messages and I saw he had been added to another group chat and these are kids aged between 10-13 and the chats were horrifying . One girl sent a picture with her mouth wide open and was saying something along the lines of how she is good at oral . The kids were throwing insults at each other including use of the n word , b word , c word it was absolutely vile . But none of these were directed towards my son . I immediately removed my son out of the group , took screenshots and sent them to my phone and deleted everything from my son’s phone and changed his privacy settings that don’t allow him to be added to a group without his permission first . So my question is will I be unreasonable to take the screenshots to the principal and have these kids dealt with ? In another chat one girl told another girl to delete herself because she was a c word ? Should I ignore this or take it up to the principal ? At the end of the day I do not want to be labelled a Karen but at the same time these kids are very unhinged . Please help

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Ελλe · 12/03/2024 09:35

Pottedpalm · 11/03/2024 22:36

I am of the opinion that school should not have to deal with what goes on on social media. So much time is wasted in this stuff by senior staff when the priority should be teaching.

The problem with this is that so much stuff that happens on social media has a direct impact on the kids. They bring it into school and it affects them at school. So it does often have a direct impact on their learning.

if the school didn’t deal with it then they would be accused of neglecting safeguarding (rightly so)

Ambergrease · 12/03/2024 09:28

The problem with not allowing WhatsApp (which I didn’t, at the start of Y7) was that my DC missed out on meeting train friends, drama rehearsals and social events. None of the other 11yos could be bothered to remember to text them separately when everything was done through the WhatsApp group.

So while I am strict and they have no other social media and very locked down phones, I’ve made an exception for WhatsApp because it was demonstrably causing problems for them not to have it.

They have it on the setting where they have to agree to join groups and, while they have seen some nasty behaviour, they’ve been able to tell us and we’ve talked about not joining big groups and just using it for small groups like train friends and birthday parties. I suspect that’s how the OP might want to handle it - it’s the big groups that get out of hand.

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 12/03/2024 09:25

For those of you confused about why kids are using it - it's just another method of texting. Simple as that.

It really isn’t.
It’s this type of naivety that causes these issues to happen.

KvotheTheBloodless · 12/03/2024 09:23

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 12/03/2024 09:07

I think you should go to the school.

This isn't about the teachers singling out Molly and Ben who are the ringleaders and using inappropriate memes - it's about them having an assembly about internet safety for the Y7 contingent, letting them know that ANYTHING they put out there is never going away, and that they shouldn't share anything they wouldn't be comfortable with their nanny seeing (as I put it to mine). They also might go ahead with a parent meeting for something similar - I know they did this at my son's former Primary school when the WhatsApp groups were getting out of hand (although seriously, some of the shit they were putting up with instead of just deleting the app and telling their own children 'no' was ridiculous.

For those of you confused about why kids are using it - it's just another method of texting. Simple as that. It has an age limit because of GDPR and the end to end encryption - but let's be real here, if you're not monitoring your tween usage of their phone, they can be sending and receiving the same stuff via the built in text messaging service.

Keep your parental controls tight and have regular conversations about keeping safe and how they do not 'owe' anyone the right to have them in a group text situation.

WhatsApp groups are NOT AT ALL the same as text messaging, and are far, far more open to abuse.

Notpossibly · 12/03/2024 09:20

TinnitusEar · 12/03/2024 09:06

Please don't perpetuate the use of the name Karen as an insult. You are an adult.

Interestingly OP is considering complaining and her DP is against. A bit of anecdote to justify the OP's use of the term.

VickyEadieofThigh · 12/03/2024 09:15

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 11/03/2024 23:12

If he wants to use Whatsapp to contact family in Africa, then create a family whatspp group that you are a member of too?

He doesn't need it to use SeeSaw.

Have you deleted the groups? I think you have already said you have adjusted his phone settings so he can't be logged on without approval again? Does he know not to accept group requests?

To be honest I think 11 is too young to have phones for precisely this reason but of course I realise that everyone else thinks I'm a dinosaur for thinking that. If they must have one (and imo they don't need anymore than a basic call and text phone), then its the parent's responsibility to sit with their child to make an agreement that their phone will be monitored every evening to check both its google history and what is being said in groups.

Only last night we watched on BBC iplayer - on the series 'Forensics:the real CSI' (Series 3, episode 4) - a documentary showing how the police had caught a paedophile who groomed girls online and then raped them. One was 12 years old.

Mobile phones are dangerous in the hands of children. I hear so often parents saying they've given their child one "for their safety". I urge everyone to watch this programme.

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sanityisamyth · 12/03/2024 09:12

@TinnitusEar you really didn't need to quote the whole of the OP to say something which has already been said at least 20 times on this thread.

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Parker231 · 12/03/2024 09:11

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 12/03/2024 09:05

Well if there are only two black boys in the class, then it must have been sent by one of their classmates in their own school.

Personally I don’t know what the school can do other than say they will look into it. The truth is they simply can’t prevent this from re occurring regardless of what they say and do. But they can stop using seesaw. And you can prevent this by removing his phone so he isn’t exposed to it. He can use yours for contacting family or just email them? He can use a tablet or laptop to access SeeSaw. A phone can’t be the best device to upload and view work anyway.

What a complete mess caused by allowing irresponsible children to have phones.

My friend saw her son trying to hang himself due to phone bullying. He was twelve years old.

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Irresponsible children but more importantly irresponsible parents

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CutthroatDruTheViolent · 12/03/2024 09:07

I think you should go to the school.

This isn't about the teachers singling out Molly and Ben who are the ringleaders and using inappropriate memes - it's about them having an assembly about internet safety for the Y7 contingent, letting them know that ANYTHING they put out there is never going away, and that they shouldn't share anything they wouldn't be comfortable with their nanny seeing (as I put it to mine). They also might go ahead with a parent meeting for something similar - I know they did this at my son's former Primary school when the WhatsApp groups were getting out of hand (although seriously, some of the shit they were putting up with instead of just deleting the app and telling their own children 'no' was ridiculous.

For those of you confused about why kids are using it - it's just another method of texting. Simple as that. It has an age limit because of GDPR and the end to end encryption - but let's be real here, if you're not monitoring your tween usage of their phone, they can be sending and receiving the same stuff via the built in text messaging service.

Keep your parental controls tight and have regular conversations about keeping safe and how they do not 'owe' anyone the right to have them in a group text situation.

TinnitusEar · 12/03/2024 09:06

M2BANTRIM · 11/03/2024 22:30

So I am a mum of an 11 year old boy and about a year ago we decided to get him a cellphone so that he can have access to his homework which is usually sent on a school app and we downloaded WhatsApp for him as well . As a backstory we are from a southern African country I do not want to mention living in the UK so WhatsApp allowed him to keep in touch with grandparents and extended family . About a month ago , he told me that he had been added to a group chat and within minutes he was crying hysterically. He showed me his phone only to discover that a meme of a black boy with bulging eyes had been sent on the chat and someone had captioned my son’s name . This sent me into a rage and I managed to contact the boy’s mum who had sent it and she apologised and the son did as well and I just decided not to further escalate it . So my son doesn’t really open his WhatsApp and can go for 3-4 days without been on it and I can check on his 'last seen' . I discovered that he had over 900 messages and I saw he had been added to another group chat and these are kids aged between 10-13 and the chats were horrifying . One girl sent a picture with her mouth wide open and was saying something along the lines of how she is good at oral . The kids were throwing insults at each other including use of the n word , b word , c word it was absolutely vile . But none of these were directed towards my son . I immediately removed my son out of the group , took screenshots and sent them to my phone and deleted everything from my son’s phone and changed his privacy settings that don’t allow him to be added to a group without his permission first . So my question is will I be unreasonable to take the screenshots to the principal and have these kids dealt with ? In another chat one girl told another girl to delete herself because she was a c word ? Should I ignore this or take it up to the principal ? At the end of the day I do not want to be labelled a Karen but at the same time these kids are very unhinged . Please help

Please don't perpetuate the use of the name Karen as an insult. You are an adult.

Bringtheweatherwithyou · 12/03/2024 09:05

M2BANTRIM · 12/03/2024 08:52

it was a meme of a very extremely dark boy with bulging eyes that was extremely exaggerated with photoshoot and he has a grin on his face making the white teeth just visible and the lips were red more like the jim crow thing and my son’s name was captioned on it . My son and another boy are the only black kids in that class so it’s obvious that it was sent to mock his race and skin colour

Well if there are only two black boys in the class, then it must have been sent by one of their classmates in their own school.

Personally I don’t know what the school can do other than say they will look into it. The truth is they simply can’t prevent this from re occurring regardless of what they say and do. But they can stop using seesaw. And you can prevent this by removing his phone so he isn’t exposed to it. He can use yours for contacting family or just email them? He can use a tablet or laptop to access SeeSaw. A phone can’t be the best device to upload and view work anyway.

What a complete mess caused by allowing irresponsible children to have phones.

My friend saw her son trying to hang himself due to phone bullying. He was twelve years old.

JamSandle · 12/03/2024 09:01

When I was at school I remember the things being shared were p*n including animal p*n. I didnt even have a phone but you get shown it on everyone else's.

Mumofoneandone · 12/03/2024 09:00

Children shouldn't be on WhatsApp under 16 due to the end to end encryption!
If it is being used inappropriately then it should be flagged up with the school. There is so much teaching regarding correct use of the internet/online etc that direct examples of misuse can be helpfully used as part of youngsters learning.

Zaxi · 12/03/2024 09:00

Report it to the school

Remove Whatsapp from his phone, he does NOT need it to talk to relatives, he can use other means, or use your account to talk to them

Annymania · 12/03/2024 08:58

Kids that age are wild and peer pressure is really strong. When I was that age, the girls (12 year olds) were filming themselves doing sexual things even one boy had his video leaked around the school and everyone made fun of him saying he was ‘small’ it’s horrible. Definitely report it, the n word is what really shocks me. Im really shocked but not surprised at the same time. I grew up with the exact same thing and now everyone my age has mental health issues

JamSandle · 12/03/2024 08:54

I would archive the chat and encourage your son not to read or reply in there.

Kids shouldn't be on WhatsApp or social media and for good reason.

M2BANTRIM · 12/03/2024 08:52

NotQuiteNorma · 12/03/2024 08:25

I'm struggling a bit with the picture with your son's name on it? If someone sent my son a picture of a white boy with his name attached, my mind wouldn't jump straight to racism.

it was a meme of a very extremely dark boy with bulging eyes that was extremely exaggerated with photoshoot and he has a grin on his face making the white teeth just visible and the lips were red more like the jim crow thing and my son’s name was captioned on it . My son and another boy are the only black kids in that class so it’s obvious that it was sent to mock his race and skin colour

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lndnbrdge91 · 12/03/2024 08:49

Yes report. There are also settings in WhatsApp that you can use to control who can add you to groups. For example can be restricted only to someone who is in your contacts.

I only found this out recently and it's been useful.

ClairDeLaLune · 12/03/2024 08:44

Please don’t use the misogynistic term Karen. Kind of lowering yourself towards their level there OP.

I would tell the school, but in person not electronically, as you might be committing some sort of offence sending screenshots electronically.

PumpkinSly · 12/03/2024 08:43

Pottedpalm · 12/03/2024 07:51

Until we somehow stop the Great Parenting Cop-out nothing will change. Stop blaming social media, the government, the school… and parent your own children.

Agree with this.

I find it shocking that we are so accepting of phones and social media use for kids. We are normalising online bullying for this generation as just a part of owning a mobile phone.

Marchingonagain · 12/03/2024 08:43

For what it’s worth, I know early teens who have a brick phone but access to WhatsApp via a parents phone only

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