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Can I actually afford it?

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Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 17:05

Another child. I have 2 already. I really want another but there’s been a lot of posts lately about this sort of thing and it’s got me second guessing my own financial security for another child whereas previously I thought it would be fine.

mortgage 4 bed- £1400 a month
council tax 160 a month
elec/ gas- £160 (very energy efficient house)
food £500 a month
car insurance £80 a month
neflix- can’t remember £16 a month?
internet and phones £60
childcare £600 (funding we’re lucky that the nursery is one of the cheapest in the area but one of the best, it’s attached to a school so they do the funding very fairly, so we actually benefit from the government funding quite heavily)

income £6k

lifestyle. We like 2 abroad hols a year (nothing really extravagant, but we deal hunt and get a free child place, we go for wherever we get a deal, normally spend 2.5k on the hols) and a UK city break (nothing fancy premier inn and do tourist stuff, Edinburgh flights are free through work, london etc) and a UK hols (haven, butlins etc)

we save £50 for each child a month and now we can get CB again will save that equally for the kids. There are progression opportunities at work. We both have good parental leaves 6 months FP and phased return to work at full pay and 30 days hols each.

we save for us too, probably around £700 a month.

we both get bonuses too, probably between 10/20% of salary depending on performance and pay rises above inflation.

space wise even though we’ve enough bedrooms we might struggle but could make it work.

we already have a 7 seater car.

its fine right, this works? Honestly before MN I’d have thought this is fine, but since joining not long ago, it’s actually got me worrying. I cant think about moving up yet job wise either, just took a promotion at work

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wpfklaur · 10/03/2024 21:05

@Lelophants take it with a pinch of salt when people say they cost more, yes teens can be expensive but it is largely discretionary, people spend what they can and want to, childcare is never discretionary. The kinds of things my pre/teens cost me are more expensive holidays, branded clothes, school trips, the clubs they do, it still doesn't touch the sides of the £1000 per child per month cost of childcare, and if it did, I could choose to reduce it, unlike childcare. That's why we keep saying it depends on the lifestyle the OP wants, there is no doubt the OP's income is enough to clothe and feed a 3rd child (and a lot more!)

Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 21:04

Newsenmum · 10/03/2024 20:56

How can you feel poor? A little bit nuts and tone deaf considering some of the posts on MN.

On mumsnet, not in real life. I’ve seen posters say income similar to mine is very low. Posters on 500k a year saying they can’t afford what they want etc . Point was that in this forum, it can make pretty well off people seem not so well off

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Lelophants · 10/03/2024 21:01

TheSnowyOwl · 10/03/2024 20:34

My three have cost more in time, emotion and money as they have got older. I almost wish for the days when £100 at nursery per day covered them all day and included all their meals.

Im not sure how old your children are but the costs for us went up and just kept climbing from KS2.

Out of curiosity, what are these costs? I have two and don’t find it an issue, currently surviving on one income. They’re both pre school age though. The second one is using all the first ones hand me downs (from clothes to cot, car seat , everything!) we got lots of generous gifts from grandparents - very lucky! Which means more than enough toys. We’ve had to reduce holidays because obviously they cost! So we used to travel a lot and now we don’t really. But what else do you start paying for after ks2? They’re in school most of the year.

Chairwoman · 10/03/2024 21:00

I also feel poor on mumsnet!! I earn 40k and feel like it’s peanuts compared to where I should be, I totally understand what OP means by feeling poor in comparison.
I’m clearly not in poverty, but it’s crazy how my reality is so far apart from a hell of a lot of posters on here!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 10/03/2024 20:59

Only you can figure it out. We have decided against a third due to financial and practical reasons. If I wanted to I could afford it but i don’t want to take the time and financial opportunities away from the two children I have.

Chairwoman · 10/03/2024 20:57

I think you can more than afford a third, especially if you do keep climbing the ladder.
Ultimately it’s down to - do you want a third? You can clearly provide for them, you have space for them (a bedroom/car) and you seem financially savvy. If you want a third, go for it. I’d not change having three for the world 😊

(Grew up an only child and knew I wanted at least 3. Income circa 95k for both so not massive but comfortable, we all have different priorities in life and wouldn’t life be boring if we were all the same?!)

Newsenmum · 10/03/2024 20:56

Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 17:13

True but on here, I’ve never felt so poor. I know 3 kids don’t seem popular on MN so that might be contributing to it but it’s made me doubt if I’m missing something

How can you feel poor? A little bit nuts and tone deaf considering some of the posts on MN.

Newsenmum · 10/03/2024 20:54

I mean you have a very good income and nice lifestyle. You can definitely afford it. The question is, do you want to? Do you want to cut down on all those lovely leisure activities?

Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 20:54

wpfklaur · 10/03/2024 20:43

@Thisisembarassing it wasn't a criticism that you have an answer for everything, I think it shows which way you're naturally swaying too, it's why we post on forums, to challenge our thought process.

It ultimately comes down to what kind of lifestyle you want, and how hands on you want to be, there is no right or wrong answer. You have enough income for this to be a choice, which is why you're struggling most likely, but it's weighing up what it is you want for you, your DH and your kids, ultimately a 3rd will be a sacrifice because what you'll spend on a 3rd could be spent on something else, but it's also an addition, so which is worth more to you. There's a reason MN is awash with "shall we have a 3rd" threads!

I know babe, this is the thing isn’t it. Heart v head.

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SpringSprungALeak · 10/03/2024 20:54

Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:31

If six months is good, thank goodness I could go for 4 yrs.

@Mycatmyworld

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Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:53

Four yrs is nicely tucked away pulling 5% atm.

wpfklaur · 10/03/2024 20:43

@Thisisembarassing it wasn't a criticism that you have an answer for everything, I think it shows which way you're naturally swaying too, it's why we post on forums, to challenge our thought process.

It ultimately comes down to what kind of lifestyle you want, and how hands on you want to be, there is no right or wrong answer. You have enough income for this to be a choice, which is why you're struggling most likely, but it's weighing up what it is you want for you, your DH and your kids, ultimately a 3rd will be a sacrifice because what you'll spend on a 3rd could be spent on something else, but it's also an addition, so which is worth more to you. There's a reason MN is awash with "shall we have a 3rd" threads!

Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 20:40

Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:31

If six months is good, thank goodness I could go for 4 yrs.

If you save 4 years worth of cash in an instant access savings account, you’re missing a trick, that money could be working a lot harder for you. YES we’re in a high interest rate environment now, but still higher than target inflation, so the rates aren’t as appealing as they look initially.

rates for everything will be coming down and soon. I’d look at an investment. Managed fund, tax wrapper, diversified asset class and location.

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Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 20:37

wpfklaur · 10/03/2024 20:03

@Thisisembarassing I definitely relate to the being motivated by kids argument, having kids young certainly put a fire under us and is why we are where we are, but equally, I knew our limitations.

I think you're being a tad naive repeatedly comparing parenting from your parents' time to ours, it's a different era. Is that really the kind of parent you want to be? I know I want the best for my kids, I want more for them than I had.

Ultimately, it sounds like you're emotionally invested in a 3rd and have made your mind up, you have an answer for everything (though I don't agree with your answers, from my own experience) and that's fine, but I think you need to consider realistically what that means for you and your kids, and not try to pretend that our arguments don't relate to you, because otherwise you won't actually be able to rationally consider the potential problems.

For me, 2+ is weighing up what is in the best interests of the children that already exist, and I've never been able to satisfy that a 3rd is more beneficial to the children than the time and resource parents of just 2 children can give. But plenty of people disagree with that, it's just being honest with yourself about your motivations and resolutions.

I have an answer for most things asked because I’ve made myself think about them lol. But PP is write it’s more prudent to plan for now, as is now rather than on securing a new role down there line when that’s not a given. But the day to day expenses of 3 kids, surely can be more than the £1k a month were up til this month (our contract has been amended to reflect funding).

i definitely don’t want to be the type of parents mine were BUT they were well off too, proportionately more so than we are. We went on 3 holidays a year, private school (played half arsedly piano, cello and saxe, did dance, horse riding, swimming, tennis).That’s why I say 2 hobbies max because when I got to my teen years, i was burnt out. So all in moderation. I had a lot, as did my sibling and truthfully I think it ruined my sibling, they are very entitled and can’t hold a job down, thinks everything should be handed to them etc. I had to learn that life isn’t like that, it was a hard lesson. But that’s the reasoning behind some of my parenting choices.

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TheSnowyOwl · 10/03/2024 20:34

My three have cost more in time, emotion and money as they have got older. I almost wish for the days when £100 at nursery per day covered them all day and included all their meals.

Im not sure how old your children are but the costs for us went up and just kept climbing from KS2.

hotpotlover · 10/03/2024 20:33

We're financially in roughly the same position. Our income is slightly lower than yours, but our mortgage is 500 pounds cheaper than yours.

We've just had our 3rd child.

I think you'll be fine, but I agree with a previous poster: Don't base your decision on future earning potential, that's not a given.

You have to be willing to accept that you will have less money with 3 kids than with 2 and you have to be fine with it.

Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:31

If six months is good, thank goodness I could go for 4 yrs.

Thisisembarassing · 10/03/2024 20:25

Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:02

Six months is to be fair not a very high emergency fund in today’s climate

I used be a financial advisor 6 months living cost is what was advised to keep in cash savings

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cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 10/03/2024 20:17

Yes, by a country mile.

NowYouSee · 10/03/2024 20:16

Financially I dare say that you could make it work.

But I would ask yourself how thin you want to stretch yourself in other ways whilst both trying to push up the corporate ladder. For example 3 kids is 1.5 times the amount of days off school/nursery with illnesses - that could be a lot unless you have significant family support. 3 sets of parent evenings, birthday parties to attend, plays and shows. 3 sets of homework to oversee and supporting the 11+ (dont underestimate how tough this can be). Compromising on who can do what activity - hard for everyone to play the same sport for example when you then have 3 different matches in a Sunday morning but only 2 of you to take them. is that all doable, yes with compromises. But it’s also tougher than 2.

Sweetheart7 · 10/03/2024 20:13

You do have a good income so perhaps look at other reasons. What if your child had SEN could you still return to work? What if you ended up with twins?. You sound like you have a nice life... only you know OP how much you want baby no3. I think one thing to add is that I find kids around aged 8 expensive they eat full on meals (adult) well my DS does when we dine out, they want all the fastest things Ipad, nintendo switch. Clothes are more expensive for older DC too.

NHStoPrivate · 10/03/2024 20:06

I heard an emergency fund of 3-9 months of necessary outgoings mentioned on a Meaningful Money podcast today. But it does depend on your exact situation and risk tolerance - I'm very risk averse, so I like to have 12 months of outgoings in my emergency fund.

wpfklaur · 10/03/2024 20:03

@Thisisembarassing I definitely relate to the being motivated by kids argument, having kids young certainly put a fire under us and is why we are where we are, but equally, I knew our limitations.

I think you're being a tad naive repeatedly comparing parenting from your parents' time to ours, it's a different era. Is that really the kind of parent you want to be? I know I want the best for my kids, I want more for them than I had.

Ultimately, it sounds like you're emotionally invested in a 3rd and have made your mind up, you have an answer for everything (though I don't agree with your answers, from my own experience) and that's fine, but I think you need to consider realistically what that means for you and your kids, and not try to pretend that our arguments don't relate to you, because otherwise you won't actually be able to rationally consider the potential problems.

For me, 2+ is weighing up what is in the best interests of the children that already exist, and I've never been able to satisfy that a 3rd is more beneficial to the children than the time and resource parents of just 2 children can give. But plenty of people disagree with that, it's just being honest with yourself about your motivations and resolutions.

Mycatmyworld · 10/03/2024 20:02

Six months is to be fair not a very high emergency fund in today’s climate

NHStoPrivate · 10/03/2024 20:02

I also think your current income would make things fairly tight having 3 DC.

Maybe make an annual budget for the whole year including absolutely everything, and see where you'd be in your current scenario, and with +1 DC.