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To think this woman shouldn’t have interfered in the restaurant?

407 replies

Goldenrainbows · 10/03/2024 07:16

We are away at the moment and went to eat last night in a family pub with an indoor play area which seemed to get my ds (3) a bit hyper. He’s normally really good in restaurants but was admittedly being really silly and swinging back on his chair and running off and not eating. I was doing my best to deal with it.

It really wasn’t helped by a woman sitting at the table behind us who kept interfering and shrieking ‘he’ll fall!’ every time he was swinging on his chair and making comments about him and us. I don’t think it was coming from a bad place but AIBU in thinking it really wasn’t appropriate? It was stressful and meant we couldn’t deal with DS properly as she was taking our attention. (By the way ds was far from the only badly behaved child there.)

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AlwaysTheRenegade · 10/03/2024 19:42

My DH and i gave up on eating together in pubs and restaurants as soon as they could walk, we gave it a few months of taking it in turns to eat but didn't enjoy it, the kids didn't enjoy it either unless their was a big garden to run around, so what's the point?

I get you're on holiday but can you do anything about the meals? Your dcs only little and I'm pretty sure everyone has been there with kids not sitting down to dinner, he's not being naughty imo, it's typical behaviour. But sometimes it's dangerous, and if you're already stressed I get you don't need another voice in your head reacting.

ItsallIeverwanted · 10/03/2024 18:42

In the old days (pre-mobiles), me and my husband used to reckon we were doing well if we got to the dessert course, and often ended up missing it as about an hour was the amount of time our children could sit nicely and draw at the table! So we'd eat starters, mains and flee and have an ice cream on the way home!

Zone2NorthLondon · 10/03/2024 18:42

I took my kids out with nursery friends,they were all noisy and overexcited. We left early.cut my losses it was too much noise & showing off.

tittybumbum · 10/03/2024 18:41

@birdglasspen2

I'm pretty sure the people saying you should just leave have never actually sat down and ordered dinner, then got up without finishing and left a restaurant on account of a child being a child.

Here I am. Another one telling you we bloody well did. Parties, dinners. Usually we would have eating done if it or got it parcelled up and taken with us but 100%. It's called parenting. They learn really quickly that the fun stops when they kick off

tittybumbum · 10/03/2024 18:38

pictoosh · 10/03/2024 15:00

Gosh...all the wonderful parents here on Mumsnet whose young children simply do not misbehave.
I feel privileged to read the opinions and advice of such wise and helpful people. Truly.

😉😆

Sure they did. And if they did we left. They learnt really quickly that that would happen do they stopped. If they didn't we left again

fetchacloth · 10/03/2024 18:34

britneyisfree · 10/03/2024 07:20

Btw doing your best means getting up and actively parenting. You can't just sit and keep eating while he ruins it for everyone else

This really.
I'd be utterly furious if I was trying to enjoy a meal out with all of this going on, with little being done about it. 😒

Dotty2dot · 10/03/2024 17:27

Oblomov24 · 10/03/2024 15:03

No. Your lack of parenting ruined her meal. I expect people to deal with their children when I'm out eating, which is rare, so a treat.

And you would go to a family pub with an indoor play centre for your special treat would you?

YetAnotherSpottyDress · 10/03/2024 17:16

I'm pretty sure the people saying you should just leave have never actually sat down and ordered dinner, then got up without finishing and left a restaurant on account of a child being a child.

I haven't left a restaurant specifically because it was never necessary to. But I have left other places.

I was at a birthday party with my son once and one parent took her child home from that because he was over excited and hitting the other childen repeatedly and barging into them knocking them over. She also took him outside to calm down but it didn't work. So she removed him completely.

Zone2NorthLondon · 10/03/2024 17:11

Have I left a meal early as my kids were unsettled, yes. when we took out kids in a group and they were all noisy . Left meal unfinished and early To avoid disturbing others. They dynamic kids of being in a group,all showing off, it was noisy. We left early, cut our losses

Viviennemary · 10/03/2024 17:07

But to be fair you and your child caused the problem. He is only 3 so it was up to you to put some sort of control on his behaviour. I would be anxious too with a shrieking child charging round and swinging on their chair.
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Zone2NorthLondon · 10/03/2024 17:06

birdglasspen2 · 10/03/2024 17:00

Wow, read the first few comments. Nonsense. Why should your child falling off a chair matter to her. It's not something I'd actively want but it's a consequence that they will survive and maybe learn from!
Sounds like she was the one being really annoying and as long as he wasn't swinging on her chair she could have ignored him. I'm also so glad some kids were misbehaving and not on screens! Joking of course!
I'm pretty sure the people saying you should just leave have never actually sat down and ordered dinner, then got up without finishing and left a restaurant on account of a child being a child.
Adults can misbehave in restaurants too, once my extremely shy quiet (in public places) husband actually leant over to the table next to us and asked them to stop having an argument as it was ruining our meal. It was, they were behaving appallingly. Never have we had to ask parents of children to make their kids behave.
I've taken my kids outside if they are misbehaving although they only do it in an upsetting our experience not other peoples. To be honest it makes little difference. Seriously a kid falling from a chair isn't going to cause serious injury unless its a concrete floor or something?? Anyway despite rambling on I don't think you spoilt her meal I think she should have ignored you!

Kid fall off chair probably wont = serious injury. Will mean manager having to complete an accident form and check in with you . A child crying, you trying to console , staff rushing to help, other diners looking and being disturbed. It’s not just a whooopsie, fell. It’s an anticipated outcome of swinging on a chair the child lose balance. Actually it impacts the wider group and creates noise & disturbance

Sirzy · 10/03/2024 17:05

I'm pretty sure the people saying you should just leave have never actually sat down and ordered dinner, then got up without finishing and left a restaurant on account of a child being a child.

i have, if the behaviour can’t be calmed otherwise then it’s the only sensible option. I have also seen others do the same.

If you go out to eat with young children you need to be prepared that if all else fails that may be your only option.

birdglasspen2 · 10/03/2024 17:00

Wow, read the first few comments. Nonsense. Why should your child falling off a chair matter to her. It's not something I'd actively want but it's a consequence that they will survive and maybe learn from!
Sounds like she was the one being really annoying and as long as he wasn't swinging on her chair she could have ignored him. I'm also so glad some kids were misbehaving and not on screens! Joking of course!
I'm pretty sure the people saying you should just leave have never actually sat down and ordered dinner, then got up without finishing and left a restaurant on account of a child being a child.
Adults can misbehave in restaurants too, once my extremely shy quiet (in public places) husband actually leant over to the table next to us and asked them to stop having an argument as it was ruining our meal. It was, they were behaving appallingly. Never have we had to ask parents of children to make their kids behave.
I've taken my kids outside if they are misbehaving although they only do it in an upsetting our experience not other peoples. To be honest it makes little difference. Seriously a kid falling from a chair isn't going to cause serious injury unless its a concrete floor or something?? Anyway despite rambling on I don't think you spoilt her meal I think she should have ignored you!

Zone2NorthLondon · 10/03/2024 16:54

Her reaction has made you feel observed & judged. She was doing both with good cause
your son was hyper and swinging backwards in chair, that’s going to provoke a reaction. Folk are out for a meal, your son is creating noise & drama. You’re failing to deal with it
Consequently, you’re stressed & annoyed. Other diner is stressed & annoyed

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 10/03/2024 16:53

NoTouch · 10/03/2024 15:13

So many poster on here seem to think a family friendly pub means kids are allowed to run around feral like they do in a soft play. It doesn't.

It means they are providing a service which is family friendly - kid friendly meals and drinks, kid friendly seating/high chairs, hot water for baby formula, perhaps a small play area or crayons to draw with at the table.

You are still expected to parent your child and ensure their behaviour is appropriate for a public place.

Quite !!

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 10/03/2024 16:38

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/03/2024 09:49

It's interesting how in the first post the OP says the woman was saying the child would fall if he continued to swing on the chair, but as the thread has gone on, she's now saying the woman was squealing and others are saying she was shrieking

I know language changes over time but one would almost think the OP was trying to justify her non-parenting by blaming the other guests.

The play area (from what the OP says) was in a part of the restaurant away from the tables. They're quite common in family friendly restaurants. That doesn't mean the children present are supposed to (as the OP says) behave badly. (her words, not mine)

Edited

Actually, @ASighMadeOfStone - I think the woman was screaming Wink

Shesmyhero · 10/03/2024 15:49

Goldenrainbows · 10/03/2024 08:10

This was how interpreted it.

It’s not to say DS was perfect but he wasn’t that bad and I have pretty high standards.

I’m sorry but I don’t see you as having high standards. You said he was running / swinging on his chair - I would never see that as ok and myself and my kids have adhd so know it can be tricky to sit still. People don’t walk around restaurants with plates being able to see small children running about. It’s an accident waiting to happen I don’t get why you don’t see that. If you want to put your child and others in possible harms way we can’t really stop you - but you asked the question and 84% of people have said you are being unreasonable so I hope next time your child is running or swinging on a chair in a restaurant you think of this thread.

Smileyfaces99 · 10/03/2024 15:44

She sounds nosy and I’d tell her to mind her own business

Smileyfaces99 · 10/03/2024 15:42

Lol. All the perfect parents on this thread.

‘ruined her evening’. Bit extreme.

thepastinsidethepresent · 10/03/2024 15:40

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 10/03/2024 11:08

What, waste the money they've paid for their meal at a child-friendly restaurant with a soft play area because her over-excited DS was annoying a child-free woman at the next table?

Yes, of course that's what she should have done - NOT!

'Family/child friendly' does not equate to 'Your kids can run riot here'.

Isittimeformynapyet · 10/03/2024 15:33

"He’d have been whipped outside to calm down"

There's a joke here, but 12 pages in I bet someone's beaten me to it 😂

lotsofpeoplenametheirswords · 10/03/2024 15:25

Next time, give her the daggers to get her to shut up and get your little boy, sit him on your knee and do the under your breath warning voice and keep hold of him on your knee til he settles down and can be trusted to sit.

Simonjt · 10/03/2024 15:20

pictoosh · 10/03/2024 15:00

Gosh...all the wonderful parents here on Mumsnet whose young children simply do not misbehave.
I feel privileged to read the opinions and advice of such wise and helpful people. Truly.

😉😆

Our two and a half year old couldn’t be more badly behaved, when shes a bugger she’s removed from the situation, I had to leave two paid for lunches out this week as I had an actual demon in the highchair.

WhatWhereWho · 10/03/2024 15:18

How did her comments stop you controlling your kid?

YetAnotherSpottyDress · 10/03/2024 15:17

My daughter, for example, responded very well to a 3, 2, 1 countdown.

It got to the point that I could stand on the other side of a crowded room and just hold up 3 fingers and she would stop whatever she was doing that she shouldn't be. I didn't need to say a word. She always got a smile and a thumbs up when she did

She was 5 at that point.

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