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To be surprised that 65+ is deemed ‘elderly’

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Helfs · 09/03/2024 20:03

Off the back of another thread I wanted to see what the actual definition or classification of ‘elderly’ was and I was very surprised to see it defined as 65+

I always thought 80+ as being elderly so this has really surprised me. Especially looking at those I know around the 65-70 mark, they’re fit, healthy, living their best life and do not scream ‘elderly’ if you looked at them.

Personally I’ve always seen it as;
0-1 baby
1-3 toddler
3-13 child
13-19 - teenager
19-25 young adult
25-40 - adult
40-55 - Middle Aged

55-80 - old
80+ - elderly

So do you think this definition is fair on those who are 65, should the definition not evolve as life expectancies rise?

OP posts:
2024theplot · 09/03/2024 23:08

SadnessInMyIntestines · 09/03/2024 22:56

That kind of description (the reference to age) would be considered completely unacceptable in my workplace and I can guarantee would be called out by multiple people.

It's an accurate description, I don't use old as an insult.
Same with young - "X is a young woman with blonde hair in room 123" - literally just used as a description so people can locate the right colleague without interrupting an entire room full of people asking if they are X person.

NotCute · 09/03/2024 23:06

socialdilemmawhattodo · 09/03/2024 23:03

I wasn't 20 years ago. 1st and only baby at 40. Apparently according to the midwife no big deal. (I was surprised I must admit).

You will have had the term 'elderly primigravida' on your medical notes.
Although your midwife was right; it's no big deal.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 09/03/2024 23:03

YireosDodeAver · 09/03/2024 20:29

In maternity/obstetrics you are referred to as "elderly" if you are having a baby over the age of 35!

I wasn't 20 years ago. 1st and only baby at 40. Apparently according to the midwife no big deal. (I was surprised I must admit).

LaPalmaLlama · 09/03/2024 22:58

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/03/2024 22:41

Oh let me think, maybe because society hates older people? You only have to read the threads on here, It’s used as a derogatory descriptor all the time, old bat, old cow, stupid old woman. Do you ever compliment a person and say Sandra, you look so old and fabulous? I doubt it.

I agree society is ageist 💯 but what doesn’t help is people saying “I’m not old because [ insert positive attribute they associate with young people.]”so for example, I’m close to 50. My marathon time is better than the average 20 year old in any marathon major you care to search- most 20 year olds couldn’t run 5k without stopping, never mind a marathon. Does that make me young? No. It makes me a middle aged woman who can still be good at running. So I feel if we’re ever going to get past ageism it isn’t by denying our age. It’s by not ascribing characteristics to older people that may well not be true. However, this is complicated by the fact that ageing in general does confer physical and cognitive decline to some degree and at population level we need to accommodate that. So we need to not generalise but at policy level we kind of do, so I can see why it’s messed up.

MumblesParty · 09/03/2024 22:57

Wow OP you’d put me and my Mum in the same category. She’s had both her knees replaced, cataract surgery, struggles with mobility, needs an afternoon nap, is quite forgetful, very deaf, rarely leaves the house - pretty normal 80 year old.
I’m 56, I work, I run 20 miles per week, ferry DS to football most days, did Go Ape recently, etc. I’m not doing too badly considering I’m “old”!

NotCute · 09/03/2024 22:57

Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:54

Medical yes, however many other sources have a different view.

Just like how medically someone is a geriatric mother over 35 but in real life most wouldn’t consider a 36 year old as such.

This thread is about people’s perceptions and opinions.

You are a geriatric mother post thirty five.
It's biologically optimal to bear children between twenty and thirty five

That doesn't necessitate you being of advanced age in anything other than obstetric terminology, it is however wholly correct.

SadnessInMyIntestines · 09/03/2024 22:56

2024theplot · 09/03/2024 22:48

I get this a lot at the moment in work, when colleagues are looking for someone they've not met due do mostly wfh. Nobody has called me out for describing people in their 50s as "old".
Regular conversations in the office:
"Do you know who XYZ is and where their office is?"
"yes, old lady with a grey bob, she's in room 123" or "old gentleman with a beard, always wearing a suit, in room 123"

That kind of description (the reference to age) would be considered completely unacceptable in my workplace and I can guarantee would be called out by multiple people.

MasterBeth · 09/03/2024 22:56

Fuck off is 55 "old".

(I am 55.)

silvergarden · 09/03/2024 22:56

VanillaFrosted · 09/03/2024 22:52

@silvergarden I didn’t express surprise anywhere.

I initially admitted that I didn’t know the statistics, but my guess would be that fewer than half were working at 65. Someone has come back to say this is correct. Now, I haven’t verified that, but I’m not surprised at the statistic given.

I would vehemently refute being out of touch on this subject, not least because I specialise in dealing with clients over the age of 60 and take an intense interest in aging.

As for coming back in a few years to find out why old is offensive, well sure I could. But in the meantime I asked the question to those who might know - and I’m interested in the answers!

Then you'd have been aware of women's pension ages rising worldwide? It is irrelevant how many are working, when many have no choice but to work at an increasing age.

If you are unsure why the term "old" is offensive - particularly when used by a younger person of anyone over 50 or so - then recall the popular insult of "OK, Boomer" (mis)applied to that broad age group, as a term of derision and disgust.

IloveAslan · 09/03/2024 22:56

VanillaFrosted · 09/03/2024 22:07

@IloveAslan but you and your friends that you have described are not young or middle aged, so how would you describe yourself? And how do you think you’d be described by all the other age groups? Elderly is not an insult after all.

Why do we need to be described as anything other than our age? Given that all my friends lost parents in fairly recent years it seems weird to say someone is old, but they still have parents. I generally don't think of people as fitting into some group according to their age, although when talking about someone as elderly I might use that term for someone 80 and over, I certainly would never use it for someone younger.

Btw I have never in my entire life referred to anyone as middle aged either.

Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:55

WestwardHo1 · 09/03/2024 22:53

55 "old"???? Come off it!!

definitely! Tbh I’d personally consider over 50 old but due to current life expectancy I then do think it’s also just about middle aged

OP posts:
Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:54

silvergarden · 09/03/2024 22:48

It's not my opinion, it's a generally accepted medical age range:

Middle age | definition of middle age by Medical dictionary (thefreedictionary.com)

Medical yes, however many other sources have a different view.

Just like how medically someone is a geriatric mother over 35 but in real life most wouldn’t consider a 36 year old as such.

This thread is about people’s perceptions and opinions.

OP posts:
HippoStraw · 09/03/2024 22:53

Average life expectancy for females is about 83 currently.
I’d say
0-17 childhood
18-30 young adult
31- 48 adult
49-62 middle aged
63-76 older adult
77-83 old
84+ elderly

WestwardHo1 · 09/03/2024 22:53

55 "old"???? Come off it!!

NotCute · 09/03/2024 22:53

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/03/2024 22:50

It would take an incredibly strong character to not be affected on how society views them, there is nothing worse than being ‘old’ in our society no wonder people rally against it.

Well thanks for the compliment because it doesn't bother me at all.

I'm not looking forward to any infirmity heading my way but having said that; I'm getting old and I'm bloody beautiful and marvellous and embracing the shit out of the privilege of not having died yet.

hellsbells99 · 09/03/2024 22:53

I am 58 and suddenly starting to feel older - have more aches etc and some hip pain, and definitely more tired. I still work full-time and go on long walks etc but cannot imagine working full-time until I am 67. My dad died at 57, and both my mother and then my brother got cancer at 60 with their health deteriorating from that point. My DH is 62 and works shifts (including nights) in a physical job - I cannot see him being able to do this for much longer.

VanillaFrosted · 09/03/2024 22:52

@silvergarden I didn’t express surprise anywhere.

I initially admitted that I didn’t know the statistics, but my guess would be that fewer than half were working at 65. Someone has come back to say this is correct. Now, I haven’t verified that, but I’m not surprised at the statistic given.

I would vehemently refute being out of touch on this subject, not least because I specialise in dealing with clients over the age of 60 and take an intense interest in aging.

As for coming back in a few years to find out why old is offensive, well sure I could. But in the meantime I asked the question to those who might know - and I’m interested in the answers!

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/03/2024 22:50

NotCute · 09/03/2024 22:44

Society might hate old people.

That's doesn't mean you have to internalise that bollocks and start hating your age or being in denial of it.

It would take an incredibly strong character to not be affected on how society views them, there is nothing worse than being ‘old’ in our society no wonder people rally against it.

tracktrail · 09/03/2024 22:49

Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:40

Do you think you’ll make it to 114?!

Just humour me! 😂

2024theplot · 09/03/2024 22:48

Rewis · 09/03/2024 22:40

At my previous work place I sometimes had to describe the customers to the service providers. I introduced terms pre-middle aged, post-middle aged and pre-elderly. My colleagues were not thrilled. It was really hard to distinguish between working aged adult and old when you're 22 😅

I get this a lot at the moment in work, when colleagues are looking for someone they've not met due do mostly wfh. Nobody has called me out for describing people in their 50s as "old".
Regular conversations in the office:
"Do you know who XYZ is and where their office is?"
"yes, old lady with a grey bob, she's in room 123" or "old gentleman with a beard, always wearing a suit, in room 123"

silvergarden · 09/03/2024 22:48

Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:44

In your opinion.

This entire thread is about people’s perceptions and opinions on these terms.

It's not my opinion, it's a generally accepted medical age range:

Middle age | definition of middle age by Medical dictionary (thefreedictionary.com)

IloveAslan · 09/03/2024 22:48

Because your retired why would a non elderly person be retired unless very rich. Its because you seen as needing the rest and harshly not much use to the working population rightly or wrongly.

I'm retired and I'm 64. I most certainly am not very rich, I don't even own a home and never will, but I do have a little money to tide me over (where I live you get superannuation from 65). I didn't retire because I needed a rest, but because I think there is more to life to working. I started full time work three weeks after my 16th birthday, I've had enough. Lots of people here continue to work after they reach 65, so they obviously don't need a rest either. I'm retired because I don't want to work, and because I can, not because I'm "old" - simple as that.

NotCute · 09/03/2024 22:47

Helfs · 09/03/2024 22:43

But surely you’d lose that well before 65?!

And that's why middle age is 45-65.

You don't just lose the benefits that youth confers on your Forty fifth birthday. It's a gradual process for most of us and there are of course individual variations. Its medical terminology in any case, so perhaps ask your GP to run through it with you the next time you need to pay them a visit?

DeeCeeCherry · 09/03/2024 22:45

Life expectancy is 80, isnt it? So at 40 you're middleaged and at 65 ie 25 years past middle age then yes, that's elderly. If we had a lifespan of 150 years Id say differently. But, we don't. So its about reality. If youre lucky enough to have great health and fitness at 65 then you're an elderly person in good health that's all.

BobnLen · 09/03/2024 22:45

I can remember when I started work at 16 thinking the people that were in their late 40s were old, probably because they were older than my parents