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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
PuppyMonkey · 09/03/2024 19:09

Blimey, this is a real school not Jane Eyre?

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 09/03/2024 19:09

I would be suggesting to the school that this reflects that they are failing to make adjustments for her disability under the Equality Act 2010. I would not be removing any activities for her. If it wasn't for her disability she might not need to be drinking outside of their times so she is being punished for her disability.

I would be asking for more adjustments for her in school and more education of her teachers in terms of the nature of her condition and the reasonable adjustment she needs.

Believeitornot · 09/03/2024 19:04

I would not entertain this from school. I would say yes, I’ll discuss with my child about following the (fucking stupid) school rules but as for stopping activities etc.

hard nope.

T1Dmama · 09/03/2024 19:02

Sorry but you should be advocating for your daughter… if being hydrated helps her condition then she should have a care plan in place ECP in place and signed by her specialist stating that she is allowed to drink in lesson & use toilet as and when needed.
Her detentions are for very minor / trivial things and would not only be refusing to continue the punishment at home but I’d be formally complaining.
Buy her a keychain for her locker key and attach it to the inside of her bag (long chain so she doesn’t have to unclip)… and like I say water should be in a careplan!

Missmousie · 09/03/2024 19:02

I find this utterly incomprehensible for such minor misdemeanours, surely the detention is sufficient punishment and even that seems quite harsh to me and I had a very strict education over 55 years ago when far fewer things were tolerated than they are now.
Was your DD cheeky or abusive in return for being reprimanded, it certainly does sound like it. No way would I be punishing her further, and I would seriously consider taking the school to task for this ott , Draconian attitude - where do they go if a child does something seriously wrong or dangerous when they've used up all their options over locker keys , water and badges.

Ticktockk · 09/03/2024 19:01

Err no. School sanctions got school behaviour. Home sanctions for home behaviour. Ridiculous otherwise

SpongeBobSquarePantaloons · 09/03/2024 19:00

What a horrendously shit school this is. A detention for having a drink?? When she has a medical condition?! And another one for having a pin badge in the wrong place?

Fuck that. If I was your daughter, I wouldn't turn up lmao.

Disdo · 09/03/2024 18:59

Err her school are taking discipline to a whole new level. Also no educator has the right to dictate to you like this, if they want to follow these measures at school then ok but telling a parent exactly how to discipline their child at home is unacceptable, sounds to me like their a bit too jumped up on their own power, stand your ground with them or they will walk all over you.

SecondHandFurniture · 09/03/2024 18:57

Wow. Sounds more like Alcatraz than a school. Out of school activities are none of their business.

GimmeCoffee · 09/03/2024 18:57

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Sounds like the type of school I hate.
I’d not let any of my children do detention for any of those reasons, never mind stop any home activities or take away their phone/fun etc.
Sounds more like a prison or boot camp than a school. Stupid rules for no reason other than absolute power and control. The middle reason for detention really annoys me, especially as health is important and staying hydrated is a key part of being healthy. Ridiculous!
I would be very interested to know if staff are only allowed to sip water/drinks at break and lunch time and don’t do it between lessons.

Shlr · 09/03/2024 18:55

ZebraDanios · 09/03/2024 18:22

There is no afternoon breaktime so they're expected to go from 1pm-3.45pm with no drinks. They're not allowed water bottles in class with them or even in their bags to carry around.

Does that mean they can’t go to the loo between 1 and 3:45 either?!

What the hell is this place 😳

Shlr · 09/03/2024 18:53

I haven't read much of this thread but wow this sounds absolutely bonkers! All this punishment, beyond detention, taking away activities, for doing NORMAL THINGS like drinking water?! And forgetting a key? Wow. I read the first post thinking these punishments sound extreme, she must have done something really naughty. But she has done nothing wrong in my opinion! I would not listen to the teachers, I'd allow her to do every single one of her normal activities ESPECIALLY the yoga for medical reasons. I can't believe this whole post. I mean, what would you do if she was caught taking drugs?! Export her to Australia?!

FreddieMercurysCat · 09/03/2024 18:52

Quite frankly, your child has a detention. Outside of that I’d be telling the school to fuck right off in trying to police out of school stuff. That is for you and you alone.

NoClueForAName · 09/03/2024 18:49

Jesus Christ. WTF kind of awful school is this?

She’s NINE years old and had three detentions for completely minor and unimportant things and school are asking you to take away outside school activities too?

And you’re seriously considering doing this and her choir concert too?

Your poor poor child.

i cannot imagine in a million years subjecting my (or any) 9yo to this.

Newestname002 · 09/03/2024 18:48

@StoppingTheClassDueToDetention

There is no afternoon breaktime so they're expected to go from 1pm-3.45pm with no drinks. They're not allowed water bottles in class with them or even in their bags to carry around.

That's rather harsh. Too easy to become dehydrated and all the health issues that entails. As an adult I ensure I'm properly hydrated throughout the day for my own health. 🌹

Pres11 · 09/03/2024 18:46

I wouldn’t take any away actually. I feel age 9 is a ridiculous age to be getting detention! They’re still so young. You can speak to her about her actions etc but taking her phone, and activities away is just too much. From experience, my children at that age benefitted more from praise for what they did do well and not much attention to be paid to the things that they have done wrong. More attention on the bad, can put children in a bad space, and it just then continues.

Prettydress · 09/03/2024 18:44

I would be taking my child out of this school. It's one thing being strict, but another thing not prioritising a child's physical wellbeing. Getting detentions for such minor infringements in Yr 5 ( regardless if it's a primary/middle or high school) is awful in my opinion, but I appreciate we are all different. But for them to urge you to take away an activity that physically benefits a child with a health condition feels sadistic.

Coco1379 · 09/03/2024 18:44

Absolutely not! It sounds to me as if your DD has special needs which need to be taken into account by her teacher. The therapy of her class is essential to her wellbeing, both mental and physical and I would be telling the teacher that you will not deprive her on the basis of such petty transgressions. If this teacher is persistently handing out detentions to your daughter it could be a form of bullying. Then, I’d be inclined to seek help from the SEND to make sure this teacher is aware and makes allowances for your daughter’s condition. I hope things get better.

Icystars · 09/03/2024 18:44

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

No!!!! Seriously??? My child would not be missing any of her non school classes for these things. I thought she’d done something really serious to warrant the punishment. This is usual stuff that year 5’s 9? 10 Year olds? are learning to deal with.

SamPM · 09/03/2024 18:43

I just read the reasons for detentions. This sounds like a very strict school; it may not be the best fit for her.

mafsfan · 09/03/2024 18:41

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 09/03/2024 18:17

From speaking to DD the rules about the water between lessons is possibly because they're not supposed to go to their lockers between lessons. Remember it's like a secondary school so they change classrooms every lesson.

They're supposed to go to the locker in the morning drop off all books/equipment apart from for Lessons 1 and 2, go again at break for Lessons 3 and 4 stuff, then again at Lunch for 5 and 6.

There is no afternoon breaktime so they're expected to go from 1pm-3.45pm with no drinks. They're not allowed water bottles in class with them or even in their bags to carry around.

Same with toilet breaks they can go before school, at breaktime, lunchtime and as they leave school for the day.

Edited

None of this is good or in the interests of 9-13 year olds OP. Middle school is not prison! You're replying as if people don't understand what kind of school it is even though plenty of secondary teachers are saying the rules are draconian.

SamPM · 09/03/2024 18:41

Apart from taking the phone I don't think these seem much like punishments to me. Tbh I would be focusing on why she has had so many detentions and work on preventing this happening again.

Wellretired · 09/03/2024 18:32

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Stop her yoga, which she needs for health reasons? That's totally wrong. The offenses seem really minor too! You're already stopping 2 OOS activities - one more than 8 would have done!

Heretofore14 · 09/03/2024 18:30

Her form tutor is the one being very unreasonable. Ignore what she says. You know better than she does.

AdultOnsetAsthma · 09/03/2024 18:29

These rules are draconian and I would not be stopping any activities at all. But I wouldn't tell the teacher that. It sounds like the sort of thing a child will still be ruminating on aged 30 :-(

The day my DC did something actually naughty, yes I absolutely would stop an activity.

Just don't tell the teacher.

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