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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
ThisQuickFinch · 09/03/2024 20:38

You need to find her a new school, pronto. I appreciate it might not be easy or convenient but you are failing your daughter by subjecting her to this place.

Infertilitylife · 09/03/2024 20:33

I wouldn’t let my child have a detention for this let alone take away phone/privileges.

threatmatrix · 09/03/2024 20:26

You’ve done enough, it’s not like she’s murdered someone.

JustBeKinder · 09/03/2024 20:17

Good grief this school sounds like it’s back in the dark ages!

anothermnuser123 · 09/03/2024 20:13

It worries me that so many parents follow schools so much they dont even realise when the rules are batshit crazy!
A detention, losing free time, for putting a pin in slightly the wrong place.
A detention for wanting to hydrate (the horror)
And another for forgetting something once!

The only positive is how many people on this post see how totally over the top this is, but you so often read how parents enforce these ridiculous rules, just as you were fully willing to do.

You were considering, even a small amount, stopping your Daughter exercising, which not only directly affects her pain levels but directly contradicts what we are told to do for health and wellbeing, for things that were really minor.

I think this is a good point to have a think about what made you almost going along with this insanity at all, rather than ask the school what on earth makes them think this is reasonable.

I never want to be that parent that questions everything, but I think there is a time and place to follow rules but this is absolutely bonkers. The things our children do growing up affect their whole lives, do you really want a large chunk of her childhood to be following such absolutely bonkers rules, scared to have a sip of water or not put a pin in exactly the right spot?

I am all for education but not at the cost of our childrens wellbeing and mental health and rules like that could end up having a detrimental effect.

Violinist64 · 09/03/2024 20:06

Is this school Dotheboy's Hall by any chance? It sounds like a terrible school to me - very unkind and uncaring. I echo what many others have said - is there any chance of changing schools, preferably to a normal 5-11 primary school?

kidsarepeopletoo · 09/03/2024 20:04

I'm curious to know what kind of life this school is preparing these children for... 🤔

There's not many life experiences I can think of, that this might be useful preparation for - here's a couple I could think of though:

  • Life in a maximum-security prison
  • The life of an Olympic athlete, competing for an authoritarian communist state
  • A hostage taken by a country with shocking disregard for people's human rights
I think that the people responsible for making and enforcing rules like these, should be compelled to abide by them themselves.

I would love to see the headmaster sitting in detention for daring to take a sip of drink outside of the decreed permissible 90-minute drinking window.

Or being made to stay behind, in solitary confinement after work, for forgetting to wear his tie clip.

When will we wake up to the fact that children deserve basic human rights as well.

Donsyb · 09/03/2024 20:04

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

I wouldn’t be taking away any of the activities, those are stupid things to give detentions over!

Mentaldays · 09/03/2024 20:03

TheSlantedOwl · 08/03/2024 20:40

Year 5? Why the fuck are you considering any of this shit?

I’m really sorry but this ⬆️

what is going on here. You are her parents you decide what to do. I’d not be removing anything. I’d have a restorative conversation around appropriate behaviour at school. End of. Nod and tell school thanks you’ll consider your options. The end

Toptops · 09/03/2024 20:02

This school sounds appalling.
I think you need to re think as to whether these punishments fit the 'crime'.
If it were my child, I'd be looking for another school.

Glasgomammy · 09/03/2024 20:01

Don’t stop ANY of her activities, she got detention and that’s enough, school is over steppping their position by telling you to stop everything and take phones etc away! Tell them to jog on

Thereluctantgrownup · 09/03/2024 20:00

I wouldn't stop any of the activities. Her punishment was the detentions, no need to punish her again (for such ridiculous reasons that got her the detentions in the first place)!

Bananabuttons · 09/03/2024 20:00

Bloody hell, do you always blindly do what people in positions of authority tell you to?
I think it’s time you learned to advocate for your child and do what you think is is right.

NorthernSarcasticandDownrightFantastic · 09/03/2024 19:56

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

... what the heck did she do?! Murder the class hamster?!
This is really cr**, lazy parenting strategies by school... but to urge you to do the same is just awful

TotoroElla · 09/03/2024 19:54

JustDiscoveredBueno · 09/03/2024 05:49

School sound bonkers! They want your daughter to be in pain because of those minor breaches? what is wrong with the sadistic fucks?! Overkill and cruel - what are they trying to prepare her for? It's not real life - so perhaps prison?! I'd be livid that they put some warped thinking above my child's health. Have your child's back - as they clearly don't.

I think prison is much more lenient and has more respect for the inmates!!

Sillyname63 · 09/03/2024 19:53

I would treat this activity more as a medical appointment with a physio. The teacher/ school wouldn't expect you to cancel that. So no way also your child you choose the punishment not the teacher. Do they know everything your child does 24/7. I wouldn't have told them about it TBH.

Merryoldgoat · 09/03/2024 19:51

My 11yo is heading to a specialist provision for high school and I’m just so happy he won’t have to deal with all this bollocks.

But the things they do - it’s actually what would benefit every child regardless of any SEN. Smaller classes, time out if overwhelmed, access to outside areas when needed, toilets for each year group accessible as necessary, ability to personalise their desks. Tailored syllabus, no detentions, no homework until y10.

Imagine if all schools were more nurturing and less like prison camps.

3WildOnes · 09/03/2024 19:48

I would go absolutely ballistic that they even suggested I take away an activity that relives pain. I would be removing my child from this school. It is far too punitive.

theonlygirl · 09/03/2024 19:47

I get that she's in a middle system but most 9 year olds are in primary where detentions aren't even a thing. At 9 the stuff shes done, she should just be getting a reminder ffs. These kind of rules will either make her the biggest rebel going (hopefully) or break her spirit. Its school, not the bloody army. Honestly, when you mentioned drinking I thought shes been caught with yodka in her water bottle. No way on earth would i be stopping after school activites for these "crimes" the detention is bad enough, and as for the teacher telling you she cant do her "yoga" cos there's a social element, she'd have been (politely) told that isn't happening. Looking forward to the update when you tell us you've put her in a nice primary.

Pliudev · 09/03/2024 19:38

Sorry:DDs

Pliudev · 09/03/2024 19:35

Is this one of those barking mad academy schools? In my opinion, none of your DSs infringements even deserve a detention and certainly not the removal of outside activities. Why on earth are you even thinking of that? Someone asked what punishment might be imposed for more serious rule breaking: I can tell you. We have a school like this in our area (think named after the capital of Greece), a friend's DS received a 40 minute detention because his ruler wasn't transparent, another boy received the same punishment for fighting.
What message are we sending to our DC? These schools seem to be governed by ideologically driven bullies. I would find another school ASAP and urge anyone else sending their DC to a school such as this to think again.

Caerulea · 09/03/2024 19:34

Fwiw, OP, I mentioned this thread to DH who used to be chair of Governers at a local school & his instant response was 'take her out'.

Cas112 · 09/03/2024 19:29

They can't tell you what to do out of school, just ignore them 😂

TotoroElla · 09/03/2024 19:15

wibdib · 09/03/2024 05:10

The ‘yoga’ type activity sounds like it is medically necessary f for your dd and to remove it would cause her considerable extended medium term pain.
have they asked/do they know if she is also on medication for her condition? And are they also expecting her to give that up too?!

that they could even consider expecting her to miss yoga and suffer the painful consequences says a lots about how they have got their priorities so very wrong.

there is no way in hell that I would let her miss the yoga session at the request of school any more than I’d stop her from taking medicine she needs. And if school think that this is a reasonable thing to ask - as a punishment for anything let alone such petty minor things - I would be reporting them to the welfare team at the council, OFSTED and anyone else I could think of as a serious safeguarding risk to my dd and all the other pupils that are unlucky enough to go there, as well as getting it into the local papers how unsafe the school is.

and I’d be giving the school itself a piece of my mind as to how twisted and warped and just plain wrong their policies are.

It’s notable that where my dc are at school, it’s the only senior school in the region that doesn’t expect kids to wear a blazer, just a logoed jumper, and yet they are the school with the best results in exams, most wanted school in the area - a blazer would definitely be seen as a hindrance not a help.

i can see that changing school is a bigger consideration as other things will depend on it - but I would definitely be looking into what other schools are available locally and what the effects of changing would be for your dd!

My DD's school is also the only one in our city (and surrounding towns) with no blazer and tie. It beats all the comprehensives and even some of the grammars. Not surprising as the DC are happy. And they are the smartest looking as well!

MumChp · 09/03/2024 19:11

I cooperate with the school - of course but school would never be able to dictate us to deprive the child of activities during out of school hours.
And a medically based and necessary activity? - it's 100% up to us.

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