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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
Birdsongsinging · 09/03/2024 07:51

the detentions are more than enough. No more punishments needed.

Shesmyhero · 09/03/2024 07:50

I think all of this is borderline cruel.
in year 5 kids some kids are developing their executive function skills - frightening the life out of them for such minor things will trigger an anxious child. I have inattentive adhd - kids with inattentive adhd start doing these forgetful things at that age so these kids will be being punished for their exec function disability

EsmeSusanOgg · 09/03/2024 07:49

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Quite strict! Thay's insane. Is she in some kind of borstal/ military school for dangerously delinquent kids? I'd be telling the school to jog on.

Estellaa · 09/03/2024 07:49

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

And you are considering removing all in your op?

Mate, I'd move schools.

Ostagazuzulum · 09/03/2024 07:48

School are being unreasonable and ridiculous. For those reasons a detention is harsh. I wouldn't stop any activities.

TheBerry · 09/03/2024 07:42

Don’t get why this is even being asked. No, you should not keep your child from their therapeutic activity which helps them manage their chronic condition.

LuluBlakey1 · 09/03/2024 07:41

I'm a teacher and I wouldn't be co-operating with the detentions - unless they were 5 minutes at Break or lunchtime. What are they? They are ridiculous for tiny issues.
I certainly would not be adding consequences at home for such tiny errors. DS1 is the same age and tries very hard but he would make occasional mistakes like this and I wouldn't be happy if he was receiving 'pile-on' punishments.

Zola1 · 09/03/2024 07:41

Absolutely not. I wouldn't be stopping my daughter going to dance or sport unless I decided that was an appropriate consequence (don't see an occasion it would be to be honest)

Mama2many73 · 09/03/2024 07:40

As a parent, ex teacher and foster carer my easy answer is NO. Do not cancel anything.
As a parent I choose any consequences in my home.
Misdemeanours that happen at school are punished at school. If it were serious I, as the parent, may choose to carry out something at home alongside it, but those you've brought up are not serious, they are silly infringements which hopefully she'll learn from.
As an adult if you were told 'you did this wrong at work today, so tonight you can't go to the gym/pub/library...' you'd think yeah right, and I'm not sure why we think it's OK for kids.

BusyMummy001 · 09/03/2024 07:39

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Sorry, but I would not be issuing any additional punishments outside school for these rule issues. In the same way that I wouldn’t expect school to involve itself in punishing my child for misdemeanours at home.

This were infractions of minor (petty) rules for each of which she has had a detention from school in line with their policy. End of. If she were bullying/destructive and the 3 detentions were a sign of escalating poor behaviour, then yes I’d explore ways to work with the school to address it. But it’s not. Is it a school or a youth detention centre?

HollyJollyHolidays · 09/03/2024 07:39

Poor kid!

MrsElsa · 09/03/2024 07:37

This has to be a joke? You cannot punish a child this severely for forgetting a key, having a drink and forgetting a badge. I would be giving the school an absolute rocket!

NovemberAutumn · 09/03/2024 07:36

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

I went to a school like this. I got a detention once for forgetting to bring a tea towel to Home ec. I got another for drinking water out of the junior school water taps (the closest to my classroom) when I was in senior school on a 42 degree summer day.

It taught me that some rules are about crowd control and those who are on a power trip like that are to be ignored with contempt.

Quite frankly I think I'd be going apeshit at the school and setting your boundaries in place.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/03/2024 07:36

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Garlicnaan · 09/03/2024 07:34

starfish4517 · 08/03/2024 21:20

Change schools, that's totally insane.

This.

If a parent was isolating their child and stopping them from seeing friends for drinking water in a different room of the house to what was allowed or wearing their hat at a "wrong" angle it would be called abusive.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 09/03/2024 07:34

IsadoraQuill · 09/03/2024 07:31

OMG please don't take ANY of her activities away for that!

If she had hit someone / stolen something / vandalized something then fine. But being a bit forgetful isn't worthy of any punishment, nevermind what the school is proposing.

She's 9. A baby! Poor girl. I would be looking at moving her not punishing her. That school sounds absolutely horrific. No wonder we have a mental health crisis in young people.

I was thinking the same!! Like she must be a problem child and have hit a teacher or something 😅

This school sounds so harmful. These punishments are what our kids might get for arson or something not forgetting a key once, drinking some water and pinning a tie in the wrong way?! 😳

padsi1975 · 09/03/2024 07:33

Seems like teachers think it is excessive too op. Does your daughter get anxious being in such a draconian environment?

Fantapops · 09/03/2024 07:32

She's being punished for being thirsty, and for being forgetful at the age of 9? No. Nonsense. No way is any of that developmentally appropriate. I'd be moving schools quite frankly.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 09/03/2024 07:32

I’d complain to the governors about disproportionate punishment and also discrimination re the yoga. Your daughter has a health condition and she’s expected to make her condition worse because they don’t want to adapt around it. That’s discrimination.

IsadoraQuill · 09/03/2024 07:31

OMG please don't take ANY of her activities away for that!

If she had hit someone / stolen something / vandalized something then fine. But being a bit forgetful isn't worthy of any punishment, nevermind what the school is proposing.

She's 9. A baby! Poor girl. I would be looking at moving her not punishing her. That school sounds absolutely horrific. No wonder we have a mental health crisis in young people.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 09/03/2024 07:30

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

What the…! This school sounds awful and abusive. Missing 3 activities and the Easter concert for minor uniform offences when she is in YEAR 5 for gods sake.

I wouldn’t be making her miss yoga OR the Easter concert tbh.

nevergetusedtoit · 09/03/2024 07:27

Is this a joke thread?

I really hope so.

to paraphrase Mumsnet, you have a teacher ( or rather school) problem, not a daughter problem.

That school has a horrible ethos. Taking away the concert is cruel and wildly disproportionate to the trivialities she has detention for.

Move schools.

padsi1975 · 09/03/2024 07:26

NWQM · 09/03/2024 07:13

Wouldn't stop any of them either. I would also think about making representations about after school detentions at that age for such misdemeanors. It's not like she did the same thing 3 times and none of them serious. I get the 'broken window' philosophy but lots of evidence that it doesn't work.

What is the broken window philosophy?

padsi1975 · 09/03/2024 07:25

Pinkypup · 09/03/2024 07:16

I haven’t got past this post.

wtaf. Don’t take anything away from her at home. At all. I come speaking from a mother whose son in secondary school has had multiple detentions (he’s now y11, but he’s been like it since y7) - mainly for talking and being disruptive in class, nothing physical - and only when he’s had detentions in successive weeks have we given a punishment at home. And only then taken the PlayStation away for a couple days. He keeps his phone and laptop.

I cannot understand a school giving any student below year 7 a detention.

But maybe if you did punish him, he'd remember that and be less disruptive in class? I speak as a parent with a child in a very disruptive year 7 and he finds it stressful and it's a very poor learning journey for other children. I would love it if his secondary school were a lot stricter. But it does seem harsh for a 9 year old for such minor things. Maybe that's how schools achieve excellent behaviour, zero tolerance? Haven't read full thread, would be interested in teachers' perspectives.

bubblesforbreakfast · 09/03/2024 07:24

You're not being unreasonable at all. I would consider stopping any activities. The school is overstepping and it's awful