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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
Jasmin1971 · 09/03/2024 08:38

The school is bonkers. Ignore any requests from them. It sounds like an open prison.

IndecisiveofKent · 09/03/2024 08:37

I would be withdrawing my child from this school tbh, not trying to pander to their insane punitive measures. I have never come across anything so draconian, the poor child - none of this is any way bad behaviour. The detentions are bad enough, please do not seriously contemplate punishing her further.

Shesmyhero · 09/03/2024 08:37

Pinkypup · 09/03/2024 07:16

I haven’t got past this post.

wtaf. Don’t take anything away from her at home. At all. I come speaking from a mother whose son in secondary school has had multiple detentions (he’s now y11, but he’s been like it since y7) - mainly for talking and being disruptive in class, nothing physical - and only when he’s had detentions in successive weeks have we given a punishment at home. And only then taken the PlayStation away for a couple days. He keeps his phone and laptop.

I cannot understand a school giving any student below year 7 a detention.

And has the school considered adhd? I have adhd and these are well known traits for adhd in school - impulse control problems, distraction, boredom etc.

LongLostSock · 09/03/2024 08:36

Fucking bonkers!!

Don't take anything away, tell the school to do one. What petty, stupid rules.

SallyWD · 09/03/2024 08:36

mommatoone · 09/03/2024 08:20

I can't decide what's worse - these draconian rules, or the fact that you are agreeing to punish your daughter even further! How do you think this makes your daughter feel? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for discipline and setting boundaries but this is way too much. I think you need to grow a pair and tell school that any punishment will not be happening. Set an example for your daughter.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The school are ridiculous and quite frankly cruel but what upsets me more is the OP is bending over backwards to go along with it all, the please the school.
Fight for your daughter, OP! You're her advocate. I wouldn't even let my daughter attend a school like this, let alone support them so wholeheartedly in their damaging policies.

Velvian · 09/03/2024 08:35

That is appalling treatment of primary aged children. It would be totally over the top for a high school, but for a 9YO?

The school have absolutely no right to try to remove children's out of school activities, particularly for such minor 'offences'. Is it an academy? The school needs to be infected ASAP.

starfish4517 · 09/03/2024 08:35

So afaik it's the location and wrap around care that keeps you there.

Honestly, even if I was short of money (don't know if that's the case) I would rather eat beans on toast (myself) every single fucking day and use the rest to pay a childminder for pick up at another school miles away, rather than keeping my daughter in that hell, forget about backing them up!

deplorabelle · 09/03/2024 08:35

You could try telling the school your DD has failed to make her bed three times since Christmas so as per your policy she must be removed from maths lessons this week to reinforce your home punishment. Makes about as much sense.

TotteringonGently · 09/03/2024 08:31

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

WTF have I just read?! Is she at Michaela by any chance? Or a catholic school? I know they can be strict but that is beyond.

I'm a teacher and not in million years would this punishment ever happen in any school I've ever taught at. Don't even dream of stopping yoga, to suggest leaving her in pain because she forgot to put her tie pin on in the right place is plain cruel.

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 09/03/2024 08:31

Christ, I only read as far as OP's second post. It's not a school, it's some kind of fascist army and no fucking way would I be in support of punishing the nonsense they are giving detentions for, let alone even consider taking away something that's medically necessary. How do the people running this child gulag even sleep at night?

2boyzNosleep · 09/03/2024 08:27

Had a bit of a rant in my previous post.

To the point:

In comparison, what would happen if you did those same things as an adult in your job?

Nothing! Bar having a slightly irritating day if you forgot your locker key.

Now- why is it acceptable to give a child in yr 5 multiple detentions and persuade the parents to take away her hobbies?

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 09/03/2024 08:24

This school is fucking ridiculous! Seriously what kind of weird mad power trip are they on?

Morewineplease10 · 09/03/2024 08:24

That's way over the top and cruel for a 9 year old.

Guessing it's a fee paying school? Not rtft.

I'd be looking at a new school, this isn't the right environment for your DD.

MBappse · 09/03/2024 08:23

This is not a school in the UK. Can't be.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 09/03/2024 08:22

NarnianQueen · 09/03/2024 08:20

This is utter lunacy. She's not even being naughty! And even if she was, the school can punish kids while they're in their care, but it's seriously over stepping to expect you to "back them up". And the idea of stopping what's essentially a therapy? 😱

Is it run by a fucking demon headmaster?!

I’m imagining Severus Snape (books, not the film version).
Or à la Miss Trunchbull.

2boyzNosleep · 09/03/2024 08:21

I'm shocked that your daughter has been given detention for those reasons and even more shocked that the school suggest you remove her activities!

None of those reasons warrant any punishment! She's in yr 5. Forgetting a locker key, a pin and drinking water in a corridor are normal everyday occurances that even adults do every day, and are not punished! Why does the school or you think that this is acceptable?!?

It's even more damaging to stop her activities/hobbies! All that's going to do is stress her out about school and make her hate it!

I would seriously be considering changing school if that's their attitude- no interest in child's development, just what makes the school look good.

Imagine, In real adult life if I forgot, say, my work pass which I need to use the printer and get around wards/use blood gas machines, I would not be punished! What would happen- nothing. It would be a slightly irritating day having to borrow from other people.

My manager wouldn't stop me having a break or stay at work later, nor would they insist that I give up my hobbies to learn from my mistake.

NarnianQueen · 09/03/2024 08:20

This is utter lunacy. She's not even being naughty! And even if she was, the school can punish kids while they're in their care, but it's seriously over stepping to expect you to "back them up". And the idea of stopping what's essentially a therapy? 😱

Is it run by a fucking demon headmaster?!

mommatoone · 09/03/2024 08:20

I can't decide what's worse - these draconian rules, or the fact that you are agreeing to punish your daughter even further! How do you think this makes your daughter feel? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for discipline and setting boundaries but this is way too much. I think you need to grow a pair and tell school that any punishment will not be happening. Set an example for your daughter.

MintyCedric · 09/03/2024 08:19

Presumably the school are aware of her medical needs? Surely she should have some kind of medical exemption re drinking water if being hydrated helps her condition?

As for the rest of it, absolutely nothing to do with the school how you discipline your kid at home. I’d just smile and nod and do none of it.

CountryFrost · 09/03/2024 08:18

That’s some extreme reasons for giving detentions so young but your not asking on whether the school are right or wrong in the reasons for detention

Taking away phones and activities outside of school have no correlation to the detentions and the reason for them. The lunchtime detentions have already lost her free time to play. The only reason I would be removing an after school activity outside of school would be that her detention being on the same evening and therefore the natural consequence of leaving school later due to the detention would be not having time for the activity that night

I would also politely be reminding the teacher of her place in being responsible for the child during school and that they do not have a say in what the child does outside of school hours when the reasons for detention of a 9 year old are so petty

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 09/03/2024 08:18

she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school.

removing her from this - and especially for yoga which she needs to manage pain - is genuinely cruel and draconian in my opinion.

so you’d remove her from the concert if she were to get an other detention for a sip of water? Or for putting her pin on her blazer instead of her tie?

I truly hope you’ll reconsider and won’t be overly influenced by this school’s philosophy.
Her tutor suggesting you take away an activity your DD needs due to pain management is cruel and incredibly inappropriate. Even if the detentions were for considerably more serious infractions!

Pinkypup · 09/03/2024 08:17

padsi1975 · 09/03/2024 07:25

But maybe if you did punish him, he'd remember that and be less disruptive in class? I speak as a parent with a child in a very disruptive year 7 and he finds it stressful and it's a very poor learning journey for other children. I would love it if his secondary school were a lot stricter. But it does seem harsh for a 9 year old for such minor things. Maybe that's how schools achieve excellent behaviour, zero tolerance? Haven't read full thread, would be interested in teachers' perspectives.

We did in the beginning. But it didn’t seem to bother him if we took things away. With that side of things he’s always been like that - we can punish him, not punish him, ignore the bad, praise the good etc etc and nothing works (I’m talking at home when he’s done something wrong or answered back - since he was about 9).

Newmumatlast · 09/03/2024 08:17

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts I was also diagnosed as an adult. Very bright, professional job now. But forgetful. My mum did everything for us/made sure we remembered things which is probably part of why nothing would have been noticed.

I'm not saying it's ADHD BTW OP I'm just illustrating that punishments for things like this are stupid for lots of reasons.

Actually yes I'll go further - this is where your child gets to see how supportive you are as a parent. How far you'll go to advocate for her. I actually think it's imperative you show her you have her corner on this. Teaching blind adherence to authority is not helpful for kids and their development. Respect, yes, following sensible rules, yes. But not standing up to nonsense? No.

3luckystars · 09/03/2024 08:17

I’d love to know what the detentions are.

Waterboarding in classroom 4 between 1 and 2pm.

TeenyTinyCrocodile · 09/03/2024 08:16

OP grow a backbone! Your child, esp with the medical issue, really needs you to. Esp at secondary school.

I don't condone bad behaviour in school and would always tackle it with the child, but I wouldn't remove her from ANY activities that I had paid for, unless I thought that doing so was a logical consequence of the actual bad behaviour.

I certainly wouldn't have a teacher dictating to me that I should be removing the child from a physical activity and certainly not one with a medical benefit.

They can do their school punishments on their own time e.g. the play parts of break, lunch etc. or by some other (loss of) privilege system. This teacher sounds as though they are on a power trip (too many are). With you!

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