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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
Howdidtheydothat · 09/03/2024 10:17

I wouldn’t punish her home as well. Would check with her to see that she understands the list of (petty) rules so she doesn’t accidentally fall foul of them.
I would punish my (older son) at home in addition to a detention if he was responsible for serious poor behaviour but he recently had a detention and didn’t understand why (sounded to me as though he misunderstood an instruction; he has known concentration/zoning out difficulties so quite likely) and he didn’t want me to intervene. Definitely not going to reinforce punishment at home for an unknown behaviour or a minor misdemeanour against strict rules that has already been dealt with in school.

StripeyDeckchair · 09/03/2024 10:08

Unless the issue leading to the detention was significant then I would not let the punishment crossover into your child's out of school life.
Given the importance of the "yoga" I certainly wouldn't not attend & I'd rethink not allowing the other activities

School doesn't get to dictate what you & your family do in the time your children are not in school.
Obviously if it was a major issue that spilt it into non school time I would sanction eg bullying, cyber bullying.

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 10:06

I can't believe this level of punishment for taking a sip of water, wearing a pin incorrectly, or forgetting a key....
Not sure where you live @StoppingTheClassDueToDetention or what options there are, but I would remove my children from this school. In fact, wouldn't have put them in there... but that's a moot point now.

Devonshiregal · 09/03/2024 10:03

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

This is institutional bullying and your daughter will suffer into adulthood if you allow this to continue. You should not be taking away activities from her. You should be removing her from this school.

greasypolemonkeyman · 09/03/2024 10:02

Jesus, this is awful. We have always had the church/state rule. If my kids play up in school they get punctuated in school. It has to be very very serious for me to continue at home and remove normal activities.

I mean, after school clubs and sports are kind of important, not only for building skills but if you commit to be part of a team you don't get to play up in school and then punish your team by not attending?

This level of punishment is insane

Dancerprancer19 · 09/03/2024 10:00

@StoppingTheClassDueToDetention please can I urge you to look up Dr Naomi Fisher (she’s on Twitter) about the psychological damage of “high control” policies. I would remove my child.

Beansmum2 · 09/03/2024 09:59

Those reasons for detentions are so over the top I personally wouldn’t be adding to the punishment at all . I’ve always taken the approach that school issues and punishments stay at school . Never had anything major to worry about though - mines the kid that can’t seem to not chat ! If I felt they’d done something unkind or dangerous that might be different

bofski14 · 09/03/2024 09:59

I am praying that this isn't real. What an absolute prison sentence for this poor child to live under this surveillance and anxiety every day. For Christs sake. The entitlement and audacity for a teacher to demand that you punish your child OUTSIDE of school hours and you went along with this? Give yourself a reality check. This is YOUR baby. Why are you letting a school run her life like this? She gets one childhood. ONE. Wake up. This is incredibly harsh treatment of a child. Get a backbone and refuse to punish your own child for daring to drink water outside of an allocated time. FFS. What kind of message are you giving her when you go along with this? You're teaching her to ignore her needs, not listen to her body and silence her signals. This is incredibly dangerous to instill in a child. If she's thirsty and needs a sip of water, she needs a sip of water - end of discussion. Punishing her for that teaches her to ignore her body signals and her needs. That's a recipe for disaster.

You need to lay down a boundary right now that school ends when school ends and home time is safe and secure. Punishments from school can't bleed into home life. There MUST be a safe haven for this little girl. Especially when those punishments were ridiculous and OTT to begin with. You're teaching her that the school and the teachers needs come before your maternal instincts, your home life and your mother daughter bond. You need to fix this immediately.

Dancerprancer19 · 09/03/2024 09:58

I personally think school disciplines in school. I don’t expect school to take away privileges when my child doesn’t tidy their room. It’s very odd idea. So I wouldn’t take away any activities. The punishment is the detention. I absolutely wouldn’t be taking loads of other things away. Seems very extreme, let alone the yoga.

ohdamnitjanet · 09/03/2024 09:57

I would make an appointment with the head to show her all these responses. And I wouldn’t allow any out of school detentions either.

ohdamnitjanet · 09/03/2024 09:54

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Dear God, they’re fucking nuts. Those poor children! She deserves as many out of school activities as she can get if that’s how she’s treated in school.

Bloom15 · 09/03/2024 09:52

Firawla · 08/03/2024 20:38

I wouldn’t stop any of it - wtf, this is way too over bearing of the school to think they can control her outside of school life! Bizarre

Exactly!

They can piss off, nothing to do with them what happens outside of school hours

ohdamnitjanet · 09/03/2024 09:52

Firawla · 08/03/2024 20:38

I wouldn’t stop any of it - wtf, this is way too over bearing of the school to think they can control her outside of school life! Bizarre

Absolutely, I’ve never heard of anything so ridiculous. I would be very happy to tell the school to mind their own bloody business.

Tagyoureit · 09/03/2024 09:51

Just read your op but the school can sod right off with telling you you have to stop outside school activities!! What a cheek!!

ChampagneLassie · 09/03/2024 09:49

This school sounds horrendous. No way would I be supporting this. These crimes sound so inconsequential; and re hydration and your daughter’s health shouldn’t you be advocating for her more? I’m worried the school is suggesting things which would detrimentally impact her.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 09/03/2024 09:48

Your 9 year old has a mobile phone? Is this normal these days?

Sturnidae · 09/03/2024 09:48

Firawla · 08/03/2024 20:38

I wouldn’t stop any of it - wtf, this is way too over bearing of the school to think they can control her outside of school life! Bizarre

This, wtaf are they doing trying to dictate their lives out of school?

ZebraDanios · 09/03/2024 09:48

@AtomHeartMotherOfGod Saying this will probably bring me bad karma, as I am a teacher, but I don't have any qualms about ignoring things that are clearly insane, as their policies are.

Totally agree. As a teacher I’d have a really hard time enforcing policies like this with a clear conscience.

And I can’t help wondering - how do they have time for any actual teaching if they’re constantly scrutinising the placement of pins and policing kids drinking in corridors?

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 09:47

Your poor daughter 😔
I really hope you allow her to continue all her classes, especially as those are very small incidents & I would argue don't warrant a detention at all.
No way would I allow a school to dictate my parenting in that way.

SplitFountainPen · 09/03/2024 09:46

Having read what the detentions are for, I would be removing her from the school. Sounds like the school in matilda 🤯

TotoroElla · 09/03/2024 09:45

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:55

Not really any other options for Middle School, the other 2 schools are much further away and wouldn't work in terms of timings with my work = even though I wfh I still need to be logged in at certain times and I can always get back in time for starting with this school.

It's also the catchment school for both me and ExH so it makes things harder slightly for contact. I will enquire with the others but there is no wraparound like at First School, so it's a case of making it work.

I will allow her to go to her activities tomorrow and Choir on Monday and will give the phone back Monday morning before school.

But even though high schools don't have wraparound as such they can usually arrive at school early. At my DD's high school they can arrive from 8am and get breakfast/go to library/learning support centre/form room or take part in morning clubs.

Surely it would be a complete racquet if these middle schools have no wraparound like Primary but also none like Secondary?

TheQueenMakersDaughter · 09/03/2024 09:45

Nothing about this school is normal. Bloody hell.

Gilead · 09/03/2024 09:44

So they’re expecting you to punish your dd twice (or more) for the same crime?
if mine were punished at school, they were not punished at home unless it was something particularly dreadful.
id be telling school to butt out!

Brefugee · 09/03/2024 09:44

Firawla · 08/03/2024 20:38

I wouldn’t stop any of it - wtf, this is way too over bearing of the school to think they can control her outside of school life! Bizarre

same, it is bizarre of them to push for this and equally bizarre (for 1 detention) for you to acquiesce

SplitFountainPen · 09/03/2024 09:43

I put yanbu, but you are being unreasonable to take away any activity.
She's 9. If she's done something as horrific as to warrent a detention and days of punishment after then you need to be looking at the root cause, is she severely unhappy and unsettled at school, does she need therapy to work through a traumatic life event at home, does she have additional needs which aren't being met?

And if she's just misbehaving a bit then keep it proportionate. Unhappy children breeds worse behaviour. Severe punishments are generally counterproductive.

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