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To not stop this activity even though school asked me to?

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StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

OP posts:
starfish4517 · 09/03/2024 16:20

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 09/03/2024 15:21

Has sent an email to school asking for clarification of why she exactly got the detention.

She did her activity this morning and will go to Choir on Monday.

She will have her phone to speak to her dad tonight but hand it back (thats normal for us) but I wouldn't have stopped her speaking to her dad anyway

I can't for the life of me figure out how you can be so blasé. An email? I would have gone in all guns blazing mode and taken her the fuck out of there, they're out of order!

TheFancyPoet · 09/03/2024 16:10

You should, honestly, keep all the out of the school activities and work with the school as just separately. Your child has serious illness and needs to do something with her life

Mumof2girls2121 · 09/03/2024 15:51

I wouldn’t punish outside of school for any of those things.
kids forget, they need to drink and occasionally they get dressed incorrectly they are at school for guidance and education not stepford training

hangingonfordearlife1 · 09/03/2024 15:44

i'm sorry having read what she got detentions for i'm surprised you didn't defend your daughter in the meeting. she's a little girl. how could you agree to remove anything for drinking water? at 9 my kids wouldn't have remembered locker keys they barely remembers what day it was

hangingonfordearlife1 · 09/03/2024 15:39

sorry but after school detentions for a 9 year old?? what has she done to warrant that? i would tell the school absolutely not and unless she has physically hurt someone or been a bully or something like that i wouldn't remove anything. she's in primary school!!!

CecilyP · 09/03/2024 15:35

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 09/03/2024 15:21

Has sent an email to school asking for clarification of why she exactly got the detention.

She did her activity this morning and will go to Choir on Monday.

She will have her phone to speak to her dad tonight but hand it back (thats normal for us) but I wouldn't have stopped her speaking to her dad anyway

Glad to hear that, OP! But why did you seriously think you had to stop these activities as punishment for such trivialities?

MrsSunshine2b · 09/03/2024 15:28

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:35

DD is 9, Year 5 but at a middle school so it’s more like a secondary school than a primary.

If a child gets 2 lunchtime detentions in a half term, the 3rd detention is after school on a Thursday and a meeting with the parents and form tutor is held.

DD got her 3rd Detention so had to do it after school last night. Meeting for me was today.

School urge parents to backup the detention by taking away out of school activities, phones or other rewards and the form tutor urged me to do this.

DD does 3 activities out of school and I am taking away 2 of them; one is tomorrow and the other Monday after school.

The other one I am reluctant to take away, she has a medical condition that causes pain. Her pain levels are much lower and she’s less likely to need painkillers which cause their own issues (constipation, more exhausted so unable to get through the day and do her normal activities etc) if she does this activity. It’s a physical activity, for this thread we’ll say its Yoga but it’s not that but works in a similar way.

When DD doesn’t do yoga due to her teacher being off or her being ill there is noticeable differences in her pain levels and ability to get through the day without pain killers, it affects her school work because she is more tired due to the painkillers so I’m being called to pick her up etc. Basically unless the teacher is off or she’s ill, she goes to Yoga, I plan holidays around it and try and find classes where we stay if we’re going to be away over the normal class it's that important to keep her doing it and exercising as she just cannot function or be a normal 9yo without.

I told DDs form tutor I would stop the other 2 activities, taken away her phone for the weekend and if she carries on will remove her from the Easter Concert for her Choir activity that she’s been practising for all half term both during Choir sessions and also in the shower every single morning before school. She is really excited to be in this concert as she missed out at Christmas due to the concert time falling during her dads weekend so she didn’t even audition (I use that term loosely, literally anyone who auditions gets a place, it’s just to see whether you get a solo or do chorus/duet etc instead). I will also not let her go to the café after Yoga which is our usual ritual every week.

Her form tutor urged me to rething taking Yoga away as there is a social aspect to it. But the class is 30 mins with little time to chat during it and I can hurry her in and out before and after. Teacher is aware of her medical issues but as she's only been at the school less than a year and they've not seen the effects of her not going I don't think they realise how much it's needed.

I don't agree with punishing her to the point of pain either, that just seems counterproductive and borderline cruel to me.

So AIBU to not stop Yoga?

I've already commented but this has been on my mind all afternoon as it's so upsetting that a) she is being punished for these things at school and b) her mother is not only supporting the punishment at school but also enforcing further punishments at home c) the appropriate punishment is considered to be taking away EVERYTHING which enriches her life or she enjoys and d) that this should extend to WITHDRAWING SUPPORT WITH HER DISABILITY in order to cause physical pain. OP can you not see that the school is completely in the wrong and you and the school are now working together to abuse your 9 year old child?!

Detention one, forgetting a locker key is NOT bad behaviour, it's being human.
Detention two, she has a human right to drink water when she's thirsty.
Detention three, OK, so her badge was in the wrong place, making that into such a big deal is absurd.

You are her mother, your job is to stand up for HER not for the school. What must this be doing to her self esteem, having the person who is supposed to protect her instead side with the people bullying her like this? Your priorities are all wrong and I feel very angry about it and worried for your daughter that you would allow your judgement to be skewed so badly.

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 09/03/2024 15:21

Has sent an email to school asking for clarification of why she exactly got the detention.

She did her activity this morning and will go to Choir on Monday.

She will have her phone to speak to her dad tonight but hand it back (thats normal for us) but I wouldn't have stopped her speaking to her dad anyway

OP posts:
CecilyP · 09/03/2024 15:20

Jacqueline1970 · 09/03/2024 11:38

I agree, 100% she should do this but I do wonder from her post if she is a bit afraid to confront the school over this?

Yes it’s hard to see how the conversation even came about, and why OP was so complicit in agreeing to the teacher’s instructions on following up with further sanctions at home. So much so that OP came on here to ask our permission to not impose a punishment which would actively worsen her DD’s physical health.

Did the teacher take OP aside and say, ‘Mrs Stopping, we need to discuss your daughter’s terrible behaviour’? If it had been me, I think I would have found it hard to keep a straight face on hearing what the terrible behaviour was!

Justaboutalive · 09/03/2024 15:01

Your daughter has a weekly physio session. If she thinks of it as an after school activity fine, but in reality it is physio.

There is no reason to cancel medical treatment, even if it held as an after school activity.

Everydayimhuffling · 09/03/2024 14:58

You can ask for a medical exemption on the water, and I would do that if I were you. I also think all of those rules are stupid, so I wouldn't be reinforcing them at home anyway. I'm a teacher, so I have to enforce uniform rules but I don't think they're a big enough issue to warrant extra punishment at home. Being disruptive or not completing work at school or home, absolutely, but not for those rules.

M103 · 09/03/2024 14:51

Like many have said, I wouldn't stop any of her activities for so minor things. I would probably move her school if it was possible (understand it may not be). The school is ridiculous. It's like you send her to the army rather than a school. I would probably also tell my kid that the school is being ridiculous to ensure she understands that where she puts a pin is not at all important in the grand schene of life!

JLou08 · 09/03/2024 14:46

The detentions are for ridiculous reasons as it is, especially for a 9 year old. I would not be removing any of her activities or her phone. I would only consider additional punishment out of school if it was something serious such as violence or bullying but even then I wouldn't stop an activity that is needed for a medical condition. The school sounds awful, I'd be considering moving my child. Punishment for having a drink is crazy! As is a form tutor urging you to do something that is likely to result in your child being in pain. Some schools would be reporting you to SS if you withdrew an activity needed for a medical condition as punishment.

Obimumkinobi · 09/03/2024 14:23

I'm all for running a tight ship but this sounds more like a cult than a school. OP is worryingly relaxed about accepting their bullshit as the norm because they "wear a blazer"!

What next?! School says "no chocolate at Easter from Granny". School says "up at 5am and a cold shower".
I'm genuinely interested (concerned!) what happens there for more serious misdemeanours?!
Off the point, but I'm kind of sad the girl couldn't participate in a concert because it fell on a day her Dad had her. Wouldn't he support her?

swimsong · 09/03/2024 14:02

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

All utterly trivial.

NamechangeRugby · 09/03/2024 13:52

I thought maybe she was going to be caught drinking alcohol, but water in the corridor 🤪🤣🤣.

Where is there to go to from there for behaviour which actually warrents a detention?!

Let your little girl enjoy all her outside school activities. The school have exercised the discipline they felt they had to by issuing detentions and probably best not to undermine the school/teachers, but you don't have to let it spill over into happy home life. How is it in anyway a logical consequence? Bizzarre.

JassyRadlett · 09/03/2024 13:42

Add my voice to the chorus of disbelief and disgust at the school.

I went to a ridiculously strict Presbyterian school in the 80s and 90s and even they wouldn't have given detentions to year 5s for simple stuff like this, let alone encouraging out of school sanctions for a badge being in the wrong spot or having forgotten a bit of kit.

outofthewoulds · 09/03/2024 13:35

What your dd has done sounds developmentally normal - detentions would be incredibly demotivating and could be damaging and would cause stress making it more likely that things would be forgotten in future ie making the problem worse. The school sounds insane. I agree with other posters who say don't punish - there are better ways to get kids to remember things. I would be advocating to the school that they review their detention policy.

If you look at ahaparenting.com, the psychologist who writes it explains in detail why punishment can be damaging and is unlikely to be effective. The author is a clinpsych. It might be worth having a look and bringing the psych aspects to the attention of the school. Sorry if someone else has already said this haven't RFT.

Sureaseggs44 · 09/03/2024 13:31

I agree . The detention is enough . No outside activity should be curtailed . If there was bullying or physical assault then that could be different and advice could be useful . But for minor misdemeanour . No way .

Clearinguptheclutter · 09/03/2024 13:25

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

For these apparent “crimes”
I’d def NOT be punishing my dc by withholding phone (other than usual boundaries) or extra curriculars

all totally ridiculous

MrsSunshine2b · 09/03/2024 12:57

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe you are going along with this.

TheNeverEndingTale · 09/03/2024 12:56

StoppingTheClassDueToDetention · 08/03/2024 20:42

@Merryoldgoat Quite strict, they wear blazers and expect perfect uniform.

1 detention was for forgetting her locker key so she couldn't get any of her stuff (they didn't give her a chance to call me to bring it in as a one off I'd do this as I wfh)
1 detention was for being caught drinking out her bottle in the corridor between lessons (drinks only allowed at break and lunchtime)
1 detention for not wearing her houses pin on her tie (it was on her blazer lapel)

Given those reasons I’d be allowing her to continue as normal at home.

wtf- drinking water in the corridor? FWIW, I have a chronic illness and painkillers make me thirsty so I’d be using that as an excuse 🤷‍♀️

MrsSunshine2b · 09/03/2024 12:55

What has she actually done to deserve this level of punishment? The school sounds really over the top to be honest. The detention is supposed to be the punishment, you shouldn't have to add additional punishments at home.

Aspergallus · 09/03/2024 12:54

Is your child in school or the marines?

Everything about this sounds insane.

I'm always suspicious of school settings that treat kids with fewer rights than we enjoy as adults at work/in relationships.

Pootle23 · 09/03/2024 12:52

In this case, personally I would ignore the school if it’s for medical reasons that would end it for me, your daughter did something to get detention, but that doesn’t mean she should be an actual pain because of it, that’s just ridiculous.

Depending on what she did, maybe a chat about that would be more appropriate.