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To be furious at my MIL for cleaning our living room

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GelatinousDynamo · 08/03/2024 15:20

My MIL and I do not have the easiest relationship, I find her overbearing and "helpful" in a way that totally irritates me. She does whatever she wants and expects to be thanked for it.

It happened again today- FIL wanted to come over to borrow some tools and look at the garage roof with DH (they live about an hour's drive away). She called DH yesterday that she's coming along and will help clean and iron his shirts (he's in his 40s ffs, he's perfectly capable of ironing his own shirts). DH told her that she's welcome to come over, but she won't be cleaning. What happened? While my husband was outside with FIL and on a work call, she "tidied up" our living room. Ultimately, this means that it looks like a tornado swept through it. NOTHING is where it should be, even the furniture has been moved (eg the armchair for "better afternoon light", apparently).

This is not the first time and we've been turning down her "help" for years. Politely at first, then with a categorical no. She used to listen, but since we got married and bought a house, it's like she doesn't give a shit anymore, just comes over and does what she wants. Examples: last summer, she mowed my wildflower meadow in the front garden, because "you don't want those ugly weeds in front". She knew that it was supposed to stay, but she didn't like it, we would not bend when she complained about it being ugly, so she went and killed it. Just before Christmas, she " organised" our kitchen drawers and cupboards. She has form for ironing my clothes (destroying them in the process). Each and every time she's been told not to beforehand.

Every such incident is followed by a conversation with DH and (sometimes) FIL. Every such conversation ends in tears and with statements like "but I only want to help" and "I didn't want to do anything wrong". If DH is really angry (like when she secretly fed our dog to make him like her), it's "but I just want to feel needed". She then tells her sob story to her brothers, who then call my husband complaining that he's not treating his mother right (we're talking about people in their late 60s).

Today, as I came home from work, she welcomed me with "I hope you're not angry with me". I said nothing. They were already leaving as I came in. I'm fucking FURIOUS. I have better things to do than arrange my living room back to the way it should be. Now she's blasting me with text messages all saying "I hope you're not angry with me" and "I've just tidied up a bit". I've ignored her so far, don't even know what I should answer so it it doesn't turn into a huge drama with her in the leading role of Victim. She still doesn't understand that she did something wrong, it's like talking to a teenager.

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Toooldforthis36 · 10/03/2024 12:05

Despair1 · 10/03/2024 12:00

As frustrating as it is, this is your husband's mum. I am sure she means well and doesn't appreciate that you feel she is overstepping the mark. I would take a deep breath and let it go in the best interests of family relations.
PS, I would also respond to her text.
You may be MIL yourself one day and appreciate the difficulties of getting it right 👉

Seriously? The woman is rearranging OPs possessions in her own home. FFS

Hedgerow2 · 10/03/2024 12:02

Despair1 · 10/03/2024 12:00

As frustrating as it is, this is your husband's mum. I am sure she means well and doesn't appreciate that you feel she is overstepping the mark. I would take a deep breath and let it go in the best interests of family relations.
PS, I would also respond to her text.
You may be MIL yourself one day and appreciate the difficulties of getting it right 👉

Have you read all the op's posts? Confused

Despair1 · 10/03/2024 12:00

As frustrating as it is, this is your husband's mum. I am sure she means well and doesn't appreciate that you feel she is overstepping the mark. I would take a deep breath and let it go in the best interests of family relations.
PS, I would also respond to her text.
You may be MIL yourself one day and appreciate the difficulties of getting it right 👉

FeetLikeFlippers · 10/03/2024 11:36

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/03/2024 21:03

Sorry, no.

’Nice’ people don’t impose on others and then expect to have sunshine blown up their backsides for doing so and then throw a wobbly if it doesn’t happen. This isn’t a sweet old lady being helpful, it’s a woman who doesn’t understand or respect any boundaries and nothing to do with her age. I guarantee she has always been difficult and used to rampaging through life unchecked well before she reached retirement age.

You can also bet she won’t want to be ‘given jobs that actually need doing’ Narcs only do exactly what they want to do or what suits them - usually something where they can get a lot of emotional mileage out of.

There speaketh somebody who has dealt with a narc! I think you just described my mother! Don’t they just love to play the victim?

FeetLikeFlippers · 10/03/2024 11:32

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:23

Yes, I kept it short and used some phrases PP have posted here.
"You are welcome here, but please don't tidy up anything or move or furniture around while you are here, we have asked you many times not to clean or move things around in our house. When you ignore it, it crosses a line and shows a total disregard for our feelings and opinion. You know this. It causes unnecessary stress and our house is the way we like it. The fact that you've sent me multiple messages to check if I'm "angry" shows that you know you've overstepped the mark. I am not angry. We know you mean well. But you need to stop this."

Her reply was:
"Thank you. I didn't want to change anything, just help you. Thank you for getting in touch again. Thank you so much, I can sleep again. You two are the most important thing for us."

... Which is seriously both a lie, as well as pathetic and a bit sad. Also, unhinged and a bit scary, to be told you're practically her entire life focus.

We'll leave it at that and see where it goes.

Classic gaslighting! Please please please do some research into narcissism and you’ll see she is a textbook example. You’ve done nothing wrong and she has a mental illness that she will never ever acknowledge. You can’t reason with her, you just have to learn ways to “manage” her behaviour to minimise the impact it’s having on you. This might involve telling her a lot of white lies but believe me it’s necessary to retain your sanity because you can’t use normal reason or common sense with a narc.

Shetlands · 10/03/2024 11:31

Perky1 · 10/03/2024 11:09

I would be delighted if someone cleaned my living room, including a MIL.

How delighted would you feel about having your furniture rearranged to suit your MiL, your parents' photo replaced by one of DH & MiL, your dog being fed things that made it ill (despite being told not to), your clothes being ruined by MiL's ironing (despite being told not to iron anything).

Rainydayinlondon · 10/03/2024 11:28

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:23

Yes, I kept it short and used some phrases PP have posted here.
"You are welcome here, but please don't tidy up anything or move or furniture around while you are here, we have asked you many times not to clean or move things around in our house. When you ignore it, it crosses a line and shows a total disregard for our feelings and opinion. You know this. It causes unnecessary stress and our house is the way we like it. The fact that you've sent me multiple messages to check if I'm "angry" shows that you know you've overstepped the mark. I am not angry. We know you mean well. But you need to stop this."

Her reply was:
"Thank you. I didn't want to change anything, just help you. Thank you for getting in touch again. Thank you so much, I can sleep again. You two are the most important thing for us."

... Which is seriously both a lie, as well as pathetic and a bit sad. Also, unhinged and a bit scary, to be told you're practically her entire life focus.

We'll leave it at that and see where it goes.

But if she had just said “oh sorry” she’d be criticised for being too superficial and that she didn’t really understand.
I’d be very careful listening to all this advice that she’s a narc. Lots of keyboard warriors out there and lots of people who have damaged relationships. She’s a busybody pure and simple, but that doesn’t make her bad to her very core. For goodness sake she’s apologised, what more does she have to do!!

FeetLikeFlippers · 10/03/2024 11:24

BeeHappy12 · 09/03/2024 20:53

Aww, she sounds like a nice person who wants to be needed.

Perhaps you could give her some jobs that actually need doing which could be helpful to you and her.

No she is a textbook narcissist! Unless your comment was meant to be sarcastic then you have obviously never had to deal with the toxicity of a narcissist relative. Lucky you.

FeetLikeFlippers · 10/03/2024 11:19

GelatinousDynamo · 08/03/2024 15:30

I guess it needed dusting, I was planning to do it this weekend. Still, no reason to move everything around.

I just saw that pushed the picture of my parents back and put one of her and my husband in front. It's not our picture. The frame has tiny hearts all over. This woman is crazy.

She definitely sounds like a narcissist. I bet if you have a look online at the typical symptoms then all her weird behaviour will suddenly make sense! Basically, everything she does is about her and her feelings and she is incapable of empathy or putting herself in someone else’s shoes. They are also expert gas-lighters. You could even say to her “How would you feel if I did this in your home?” and she wouldn’t see the relevance! She’d probably reply with something like “Well my house is always tidy so you wouldn’t need to”. Oh and they often have a “golden child” (usually a son) who can do no wrong and therefore doesn’t see what a nightmare his mother is. Narcissists are infuriating but once you understand the pattern of their behaviour it allows you to see that it’s definitely them being unreasonable and not you.

Perky1 · 10/03/2024 11:09

I would be delighted if someone cleaned my living room, including a MIL.

swayingpalmtree · 10/03/2024 11:04

Edit: I like the idea so much, I'm going to pull it out

😂she may do it again -in which case, I'd just keep replacing her photo with the dog in various funny poses

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:57

swayingpalmtree · 10/03/2024 10:49

I'd have some fun with this. Photoshop her out of the photo (take a screen shot of it and then photoshop) so it's just your DH, or even better, photoshop a photo of the dog in her place.

She cant say a thing about it without admitting what she did. See if SHE notices the next time she comes round 😂If she says anything say "sorry, I don't know what on earth you mean?- it has always been like that, are you sure you're ok?"

I already threw out the photo frame, but replacing it with a picture of the dog is genius 😂

Edit: I like the idea so much, I'm going to pull it out

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swayingpalmtree · 10/03/2024 10:49

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:43

By the way, I've made no mention of the picture - let her sweat about that a little, sitting there and wondering if I've noticed 😈

I'd have some fun with this. Photoshop her out of the photo (take a screen shot of it and then photoshop) so it's just your DH, or even better, photoshop a photo of the dog in her place.

She cant say a thing about it without admitting what she did. See if SHE notices the next time she comes round 😂If she says anything say "sorry, I don't know what on earth you mean?- it has always been like that, are you sure you're ok?"

GreyBlackLove · 10/03/2024 10:46

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:43

By the way, I've made no mention of the picture - let her sweat about that a little, sitting there and wondering if I've noticed 😈

😂this is genius

Viewsaremyown · 10/03/2024 10:45

You need to find a way to talk to her. Try seeing it (as unreasonable as it all seems) from her (warped) perspective- I.e. ‘I understand that you’re just trying to help’ - but tell her that she’s having unintended consequences - i.e. you have to rearrange the living room again and you are tired and don’t have time - and how that makes you feel - I.e. ‘the wildflower meadow wasn’t weeds. It was intentional and our garden and we felt undermined in our own home by that’. Then finish with illustrating how the future will play out if she continues- I.e. ‘if you keep undermining us, as much as you feel you are trying to help, our relationship is going to break down and we will stop inviting you to our house, which would be sad for all of us’ (just lie).

Maybe try drawing boundaries (if you want some free cleaning) - I.e. if you really feel the need to clean, then dusting, hoovering is fine, but please you need to not rearrange our furniture, throw things out, etc.

You won’t get through to her getting annoyed - it sounds like she gets some satisfaction from that and having the ‘upper hand’ as she sees it. Also, use ‘we’ to include how your husband feels - you’re more likely to get through to her if it’s between her and her son…like so many daft MIL’s she likely doesn’t really care if she hurts your feelings. Good luck, she sounds like a pain in the arse.

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:43

By the way, I've made no mention of the picture - let her sweat about that a little, sitting there and wondering if I've noticed 😈

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PorridgeEater · 10/03/2024 10:39

Rearranging her house - as well as being a waste of your time - just makes it seem as if that behaviour can be excused. And is inconsistent with the message you sent her. Better to suggest she finds something else to do (if you have to say anything).

Littlejellyuk · 10/03/2024 10:39

VeganStar · 10/03/2024 10:33

Oh please do this op. 🤪

I love this 😆 🤣 😂

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 10/03/2024 10:38

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:23

Yes, I kept it short and used some phrases PP have posted here.
"You are welcome here, but please don't tidy up anything or move or furniture around while you are here, we have asked you many times not to clean or move things around in our house. When you ignore it, it crosses a line and shows a total disregard for our feelings and opinion. You know this. It causes unnecessary stress and our house is the way we like it. The fact that you've sent me multiple messages to check if I'm "angry" shows that you know you've overstepped the mark. I am not angry. We know you mean well. But you need to stop this."

Her reply was:
"Thank you. I didn't want to change anything, just help you. Thank you for getting in touch again. Thank you so much, I can sleep again. You two are the most important thing for us."

... Which is seriously both a lie, as well as pathetic and a bit sad. Also, unhinged and a bit scary, to be told you're practically her entire life focus.

We'll leave it at that and see where it goes.

Well done for standing your ground.💪

Classic narcissist reply from her, “You two are the most important thing to us” My NPD mother used this sort of response when she had pushed it too far with me. Just a little guilt tripping reminder from her that, “I do these things because I love and care about you” and a way of reeling you into her little games again.

Sorry to sound so cynical, but I’ve seen every facet of this kind of personality being played. It’s all about them and their feelings and if you try to very reasonably stand your ground and set boundaries, you become the ungrateful baddie. Narcs are just brilliant at convincing those on the outside that they’re totally philanthropic and self sacrificing when it’s actually all about manipulating situations so they always come out looking like the hero/victim/virtuous one (delete as appropriate)

VeganStar · 10/03/2024 10:33

redalex261 · 08/03/2024 15:32

Go to her house. Rearrange her kitchen any random way, cutlery in fridge, empty the pasta packages into pots in pot drawer, pop tinned items under sink with cleaning supplies - anything teeth-nashingly awful. Then go home. Sit and wait with satisfaction for your opportunity to say you only wanted to help…

Oh please do this op. 🤪

bombastix · 10/03/2024 10:33

Yes I meant to say well done but the faux cringe response suggests she is just worried she looks bad. Anyway, you have her measure so well handled.

Merrymouse · 10/03/2024 10:32

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:23

Yes, I kept it short and used some phrases PP have posted here.
"You are welcome here, but please don't tidy up anything or move or furniture around while you are here, we have asked you many times not to clean or move things around in our house. When you ignore it, it crosses a line and shows a total disregard for our feelings and opinion. You know this. It causes unnecessary stress and our house is the way we like it. The fact that you've sent me multiple messages to check if I'm "angry" shows that you know you've overstepped the mark. I am not angry. We know you mean well. But you need to stop this."

Her reply was:
"Thank you. I didn't want to change anything, just help you. Thank you for getting in touch again. Thank you so much, I can sleep again. You two are the most important thing for us."

... Which is seriously both a lie, as well as pathetic and a bit sad. Also, unhinged and a bit scary, to be told you're practically her entire life focus.

We'll leave it at that and see where it goes.

She is in denial, (and possibly has an untreated psychological disorder?) so in the circumstances that is the only reply you were going to get.

However, you have set a clear boundary in writing. At least that is something you can refer back to if it happens again.

BookWorm45 · 10/03/2024 10:31

Well done @GelatinousDynamo for a calm, assertive and clear message - wishing you all the best that she stops the pushy behaviour !

bombastix · 10/03/2024 10:24

Jesus. Well I don't reckon it's over, but you will just get some other problems later.

GelatinousDynamo · 10/03/2024 10:23

GreyBlackLove · 10/03/2024 09:20

@GelatinousDynamo did you reply to her later?

Yes, I kept it short and used some phrases PP have posted here.
"You are welcome here, but please don't tidy up anything or move or furniture around while you are here, we have asked you many times not to clean or move things around in our house. When you ignore it, it crosses a line and shows a total disregard for our feelings and opinion. You know this. It causes unnecessary stress and our house is the way we like it. The fact that you've sent me multiple messages to check if I'm "angry" shows that you know you've overstepped the mark. I am not angry. We know you mean well. But you need to stop this."

Her reply was:
"Thank you. I didn't want to change anything, just help you. Thank you for getting in touch again. Thank you so much, I can sleep again. You two are the most important thing for us."

... Which is seriously both a lie, as well as pathetic and a bit sad. Also, unhinged and a bit scary, to be told you're practically her entire life focus.

We'll leave it at that and see where it goes.

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