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To be furious at my MIL for cleaning our living room

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GelatinousDynamo · 08/03/2024 15:20

My MIL and I do not have the easiest relationship, I find her overbearing and "helpful" in a way that totally irritates me. She does whatever she wants and expects to be thanked for it.

It happened again today- FIL wanted to come over to borrow some tools and look at the garage roof with DH (they live about an hour's drive away). She called DH yesterday that she's coming along and will help clean and iron his shirts (he's in his 40s ffs, he's perfectly capable of ironing his own shirts). DH told her that she's welcome to come over, but she won't be cleaning. What happened? While my husband was outside with FIL and on a work call, she "tidied up" our living room. Ultimately, this means that it looks like a tornado swept through it. NOTHING is where it should be, even the furniture has been moved (eg the armchair for "better afternoon light", apparently).

This is not the first time and we've been turning down her "help" for years. Politely at first, then with a categorical no. She used to listen, but since we got married and bought a house, it's like she doesn't give a shit anymore, just comes over and does what she wants. Examples: last summer, she mowed my wildflower meadow in the front garden, because "you don't want those ugly weeds in front". She knew that it was supposed to stay, but she didn't like it, we would not bend when she complained about it being ugly, so she went and killed it. Just before Christmas, she " organised" our kitchen drawers and cupboards. She has form for ironing my clothes (destroying them in the process). Each and every time she's been told not to beforehand.

Every such incident is followed by a conversation with DH and (sometimes) FIL. Every such conversation ends in tears and with statements like "but I only want to help" and "I didn't want to do anything wrong". If DH is really angry (like when she secretly fed our dog to make him like her), it's "but I just want to feel needed". She then tells her sob story to her brothers, who then call my husband complaining that he's not treating his mother right (we're talking about people in their late 60s).

Today, as I came home from work, she welcomed me with "I hope you're not angry with me". I said nothing. They were already leaving as I came in. I'm fucking FURIOUS. I have better things to do than arrange my living room back to the way it should be. Now she's blasting me with text messages all saying "I hope you're not angry with me" and "I've just tidied up a bit". I've ignored her so far, don't even know what I should answer so it it doesn't turn into a huge drama with her in the leading role of Victim. She still doesn't understand that she did something wrong, it's like talking to a teenager.

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Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 20/05/2025 21:35

@GelatinousDynamo how are things now? I hope your husband is being more supportive and she has learned to respect boundaries

JFDIYOLO · 26/02/2025 16:54

Tell your husband to contact his father and uncles with a carefully positioned message. Not from you - from him. Family.

"I'm very worried about mum.

Some of the things she's done lately are making me feel very concerned about her health.

I really am starting to think she may be not very well.

She's becoming forgetful - we've asked her not to try to do ironing and mowing and cleaning things that she's not very good at these days.

We've asked her many times not to do this but unfortunately in her forgetfulness she's damaged several of our things.

She completely destroyed my wild flower meadow that I'd spent a lot of time and care and money on. I know her back isnt very good but she even forgot that and got the heavy mower out.

She's ruined some of DWs clothes by trying to iron them and not understanding the labels.

And she forgot that the poor dog needs a particular diet for his health, and fed him some things that made him ill so we had an expensive vet visit.

As I say I'm worried about her.

She's becoming rather childlike in her reactions and I do think it's time as a family we keep more of an eye on her behaviour and understanding of what isn't acceptable.

It's all very sad and upsetting, isn't it?..."

Lay it on with a trowel.

The flying monkeys (the brothers she winds up and sends out to do her dirty work for her) need to start shifting how they see their "angelic" sister.

SnappyLineSwan1961 · 25/02/2025 22:37

Just smile say nothing if she mentions it say.....it didn't look any different

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/02/2025 21:20

There is tidying up, and then there is officiously, and against specific repeated requests not to do this, moving furniture and changing decorations including hiding photographs of the OP's family. The first might be useful; the second is being a complete PITA.

BestieNo1 · 24/02/2025 21:00

Sleeptastic · 08/03/2024 15:26

Just tidy rearrange her living room next time you are at her house and see how she likes it.

Oh yes do this!! Come on what's good for goose and all that xxx 

SeatonCarew · 24/02/2025 18:00

Zombie thread!!!

MelodyFinch · 24/02/2025 17:53

Oh dear, I wish someone other than me would tidy up. You might appreciate it one day. It doesn’t get any more fun and you get no thanks for it.
if this is just a vent carry on. X

Nothanks17 · 03/09/2024 08:31

🤣🤣 at the I'll have her if you want rid comment.

God she sounds mental! She sounds like she needs cousnelling or something

SuperstarDeejay · 03/09/2024 04:26

AutumnCrow · 02/09/2024 17:53

This is one of those threads where you really do have to RTFT

And discover it is 6 months old.

WickedSerious · 02/09/2024 21:47

NonsuchCastle · 02/09/2024 18:30

Yes because ironing is well known to be a very loud and noisy process...

She must hammer the creases out.

NonsuchCastle · 02/09/2024 18:37

Mischance · 08/03/2024 16:38

Clearly it is not your job to entertain her.
But I am suggesting that she is mentally ill. Nothing you have described is normal. How old is she? What does she do all day? Does she seem cognitively intact?
Not making any attempt to engage socially is not normal. And not able to go shopping on her own?
Where does her OH stand on all this? Is he a caring man, or does he just shrug his shoulders when she behaves like this?
I have a deep aversion to online mental health diagnoses, but this woman is not well and needs some help.

I agree. the word that stood out for me was "listless".
I think she's depressed at the very least. Also very manipulative.
Not OP's problem but a solution might be to take her along to a voluntary session (maybe enquire at a charity shop?). But that might be a long and fruitless attempt. I would venture to guess that her husband has made suggestions but they have been ignored.

NonsuchCastle · 02/09/2024 18:30

Wendysfriend · 08/03/2024 15:49

Omg this sounds fucking amazing and she irons.... Bonus points 😁😁😁😁 I'd be washing every item of clothing before she came over and leave it nicely piled for her to iron. how on earth do none of you hear the iron been used ? It must be a very quiet iron and she must iron at record speed.

Yes because ironing is well known to be a very loud and noisy process...

AutumnCrow · 02/09/2024 17:53

Mog65 · 02/09/2024 11:43

Well if she was cleaning while moving stuff, as in washing skirting boards and cleaning windows, I'd tell her to carry on 😂 just spend 10 mins putting furniture back once she was away 😂😂

This is one of those threads where you really do have to RTFT

BackForABit · 02/09/2024 16:31

GelatinousDynamo · 08/03/2024 17:42

This is genius. I will do it if there is a next time, fight fire with fire.

This works so much better with my inlaws than being visibly angry. Although it can end up a bit like a scene from the film Monster in Law where you just have a really loud and ridiculous crying contest.

AgileGreenSeal · 02/09/2024 11:50

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 08/03/2024 15:51

Well she obviously knows this will annoy you hence the text messages. The fact that she reports to her brothers who turn on you makes me wonder if its all a deliberate way of becoming a victim herself and getting lots of attention. I might try playing it all down, pretend you haven't noticed anything and see what reaction that brings

This.
She enjoys drama, esp where she can be the victim.
Grey rock is your friend here.
And very low contact, as low as possible.

Mog65 · 02/09/2024 11:43

Well if she was cleaning while moving stuff, as in washing skirting boards and cleaning windows, I'd tell her to carry on 😂 just spend 10 mins putting furniture back once she was away 😂😂

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 23/04/2024 18:29

Sorry MIL, the dog is allergic to you. Breaks out in a rash with stress at the very idea you would be in sole charge. That's why I had to take your photo off the sideboard, he started howling when he saw it.

or just tell DH that if he ever entertains even hinting that dogsitting/having a key back is even a possibility you will both be moving house one way or another.

MsRosley · 22/04/2024 15:05

GelatinousDynamo · 20/04/2024 11:05

It absolutely makes sense, my MIL is the same.

To clarify, we don't even need a dog sitter, we can both WFH flexibly so he's never alone for longer than 3-4 hours. We have overlapping schedules next week and were discussing how we're going to organise it in the kitchen yesterday, and she must have overheard. It's as people are saying, a pure power play and a way to access our home on her own terms.

But DH is breaking, I'm pretty sure she's been writing to him a lot during the last month, he's started to downplay her behaviour again... He even sarcastically asked me to today if his mother "misbehaved again" yesterday... It's just so disappointing, when you realise that you can't count on your husband and that in the end, he will always choose them.

OP, my DH's family is pretty toxic, and your phrase about your DH 'breaking' rang so true. When some fresh outrage happens, my DH is completely on board with my fuck-that-shit stance, but he inevitably starts to back track and minimise, and I'd have to remind him why we made the decisions we did, etc. Basically he's trying to rehabilitate the offender in his own head and mine.

I've stopped doing that now. I don't need his permission or consent about what I'll put up with or when. I simply tell him, no, that won't be happening, and you know why, then walk away. It's made life a lot easier. I totally get why it's so upsetting, but you can make it clear to him that he doesn't get to choose them and stay married to you.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 20/04/2024 22:25

Scaffoldingisugly · 20/04/2024 15:18

Remind dh who he made vows to. Or he will find himself spending a lot of time at her home.... Like all the time..

👏👏

WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 20/04/2024 20:44

GelatinousDynamo · 20/04/2024 11:05

It absolutely makes sense, my MIL is the same.

To clarify, we don't even need a dog sitter, we can both WFH flexibly so he's never alone for longer than 3-4 hours. We have overlapping schedules next week and were discussing how we're going to organise it in the kitchen yesterday, and she must have overheard. It's as people are saying, a pure power play and a way to access our home on her own terms.

But DH is breaking, I'm pretty sure she's been writing to him a lot during the last month, he's started to downplay her behaviour again... He even sarcastically asked me to today if his mother "misbehaved again" yesterday... It's just so disappointing, when you realise that you can't count on your husband and that in the end, he will always choose them.

@GelatinousDynamo Your DH is breaking because he's had a lifetime of MIL emotionally manipulating, blackmailing and guilt tripping him not helped by his uncles backing her up and wearing him down so he's conditioned to always give into and pacify her. Not that it excuses his taking it out on you because you have developed firm boundaries. Honestly your description of MIL and how she is with her brothers and DH sounds like what I call emotional incest especially refering to your DH birthday as 'their day' it isn't its DH's day its HIS birthday.

Next time he makes a sarcastic remark to you calmly ask him how he would feel if your mother came round and rearranged your house and went down his private things and put a photo of her and you in pride of place to hit the message home.

I wouldn't be surprised if she's been pouring venom in his ears over how mean and difficult you're being and "I only want to help" with CROCODILE TEARS thrown in.

I also think your MIL is trying to be the matriarch and you threaten that position because you won't allow her to control your life and home so she's escalating her behaviour to get power and control, one tactic is effectively using your DH as her flying monkey to wear you down like she does with her brothers they are flying monkey's too. Don't break keep those boundaries strong and wait her out until she has exhaustes every power play and tactics until she runs out of ideas it will happen I've seen it myself. Good luck OP and please keep us updated.

WickedSerious · 20/04/2024 19:21

GelatinousDynamo · 16/04/2024 13:59

I think this perfect - short answers and not engaging her need for drama.

I wish I could manage the "tinkly laugh"! I'm more likely to choke while trying

My tinkly laugh always morphs into a 'fly my pretties' cackle.

It does the job though.

AutumnCrow · 20/04/2024 19:09

God, the thought of her looking after your dog on her own. She'll have a field day.

  1. She will likely 'accidentally' make it ill because she gets soooo confused about all the rules about chocolate and oh it's so complicated for her and she only meant well
  2. She will be taking your dog to the emergency vet every other day because she's so 'worried' about it
  3. She will offer to pay the vet bill(s) while simultaneously telling her brothers that you're bleeding her dry when she's only trying to do you a favour
  4. Drop heavy hints to everyone she knows that she's soooo worried about the animal's welfare because it's 'always ill', but she knows from experience that she's not allowed to say anything
  5. She will let the dog escape out of the front door
  6. She will take the dog for a walk and 'lose it'
  7. She will ring you constantly about whether or not she is 'allowed' to do basic things like changing the dog's water (that has mysteriously spilled) because she's soooo worried in case you will think she's interfering if she tops it up
  8. You will come home and find her in tears of 'worry'
EatCrow · 20/04/2024 18:34

GelatinousDynamo · 16/04/2024 13:59

I think this perfect - short answers and not engaging her need for drama.

I wish I could manage the "tinkly laugh"! I'm more likely to choke while trying

Don’t forget the head tilt too!

EatCrow · 20/04/2024 18:30

GelatinousDynamo · 16/04/2024 11:37

OK, I'm refreshing this post because you all have helped me lots back then and I could use some more MN common sense.

My ILs are coming over on Friday for dinner (it's DHs birthday). We've been pretty LC since exchanging those messages after the "cleaning" incident, she's tried to contact me multiple times, but I've always kept it short and focused. Thing is, I KNOW she will want to address our issues, in front of everyone, and it stresses me out. I don't even know why I'm so stressed and worried about it, I just know that she will make me look bad in front of DHs entire family.
So, when the topic inevitably comes up (she will definitely try and make herself look accommodating and heartbroken and so so sad because she's only tried to help, the poor darling), how do I act?
My first instinct would be to tell her that I consider everything cleared and that there's nothing else left to be said. But I know her, she will push the issue. What do I do?

Seriously, I'm a grown up woman with a stressful, successful professional career where I handle entitled assholes all day long, I don't understand myself here, why does the idea of speaking to her again worry me so much?

And btw, this is the dog photo that has replaced the picture she put up last time, I'm very proud of it 😂

I’m both laughing and melting here at your beautiful dog and the fact you’ve put it in the picture frame.

Raccaccoonie · 20/04/2024 17:52

He even sarcastically asked me to today if his mother "misbehaved again" yesterday...

Sod that. Put it back on him. "What sort of behaviour are you talking about?"

if 'anything you didn't like', try "What behaviour is it you think I don't like?"
"You were there - do you think she did <that kind of behaviour>?"

Don't be drawn in. Get specifics so he acknowledges what it was that she actually did. Then he can try and remember for himself if she did that again.