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Teacher arrested for attempted murder

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Bottomofthebarrel · 02/03/2024 01:59

This week a teacher at my DD’s secondary school was arrested for attempted murder. He stabbed a woman in the head and neck in broad daylight, and I believe he was only unsuccessful in killing her because other people intervened. She is in a critical condition in hospital, so he could be looking at a murder charge. This has all been in the news, including the BBC.

This man was teaching my own child until very recently. She was given an after school detention by him for being very slightly late to his lesson, and the detention was just him and her sat in a room. That sends shivers down my spine now. I can’t get the whole thing out of my head.

This must be so disturbing for all the kids at the school. I feel that the school are potentially going to struggle more with behaviour control from now on - this man was employed as one of their role models so I can’t help but feel they’ve lost the moral high ground. Not to mention the effect on those who are in their exam years and are now minus a subject teacher.

How the fuck does someone like that become a teacher? I must say in the last 9 years since my DC started secondary, I’ve come across a few - all of them male - teachers who have got my back up and seem to be definite ‘power tripping know it all’ types, and not particularly bright to boot. There’s another male teacher in another local school who was in the news, having to pay £200,000 damages to his neighbour after a childish bullying campaign which went on for years.

Is this the best we can do? I get teaching isn’t the most attractive profession, but it actually terrifies me that these people are supposed to be guiding and leading our children, sometimes on a one to one basis. My worry is that with the current shortage of teachers, and desperation to fill vacancies, the standards are going to sink even lower.

This isn’t a general teacher bashing thread, there are many truly wonderful ones out there, and I know it’s an incredibly difficult job. Just feeling very shaken by what has happened this week. My DD really didn’t like this man and I assumed it was her being a stroppy teen, now I feel awful for not taking her seriously.

OP posts:
puzzledout · 02/03/2024 10:50

Maybe HE is best for your children OP?

Differentstarts · 02/03/2024 10:50

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:42

Sure - all these in the first 2 pages of the thread:

I find someone who's committed a domestic murder/attempted murder a lot less of a concern then the amount of paedophiles that work in schools up and down the country.

Teachers fight, do drugs etc OP it's just a job to many of them they're only human.

My husband's old teacher was convicted of murder or manslaughter and my husband said it was very sad as he'd obviously gone off the rails.

Honestly the kids are probably loving it. We had something like this at my school when I was a teen and it was like the best gossip we’d ever heard.

And the stone cold classic:

Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?

Normalisation of male violence and being performatively chill about a woman who's nearly lost her life in a horrific manner.

Oh and "Can you elaborate with examples?" Grin Grin- the teacher is strong in you

Edited

First of my comment wasn't in the first 2 pages of the thread so your wrong about that also why does myself and others seeing that teachers, doctors, nurses ect are still normal people who are capable of commiting crimes make you think cool girl. Just because I don't hero worship people in certain professions and I I understand their human just like you and I does not mean I'm trying to be one of the cool girls or whatever you meant by that bizarre statement. If you don't understand teachers are humans then your very naive

Dagnabit · 02/03/2024 10:46

To be honest, this post strikes me as just a means to make everyone aware that this man taught at your daughter’s school. I can only imagine what your Facebook posts are like!

Piggywaspushed · 02/03/2024 10:44

Unic0rn · 02/03/2024 10:41

It’s quite simple. Low pay and poor conditions won’t attract the best people. Make teaching something the best graduates aspire to.

You do know really good university graduates can murder people too?

Limesodaagain · 02/03/2024 10:43

Carpediemmakeitcount · 02/03/2024 10:40

I've never held teachers in high regard they are babysitting our children.

Hmmm - As a teacher I can imagine the impact your view has on the behaviour and attitudes of your dc

Carpediemmakeitcount · 02/03/2024 10:43

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:36

Given that Couzens nn amongst colleagues was the rapist that suggests they had concerns that were minimised

The police don't care it's a racist and misogynistic place to work in.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 10:42

I don’t see this as a ‘teacher who tried to kill a woman’. I see it as ‘yet another violent man who tried to kill a woman and who happens to be a teacher’.

Same here, the fact that he's a teacher is secondary and not really relevant to the crime.

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:42

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:34

That’s a bold statement.Can you elaborate with examples

Sure - all these in the first 2 pages of the thread:

I find someone who's committed a domestic murder/attempted murder a lot less of a concern then the amount of paedophiles that work in schools up and down the country.

Teachers fight, do drugs etc OP it's just a job to many of them they're only human.

My husband's old teacher was convicted of murder or manslaughter and my husband said it was very sad as he'd obviously gone off the rails.

Honestly the kids are probably loving it. We had something like this at my school when I was a teen and it was like the best gossip we’d ever heard.

And the stone cold classic:

Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?

Normalisation of male violence and being performatively chill about a woman who's nearly lost her life in a horrific manner.

Oh and "Can you elaborate with examples?" Grin Grin- the teacher is strong in you

FeelingLostTheseDays · 02/03/2024 10:41

I don’t see this as a ‘teacher who tried to kill a woman’. I see it as ‘yet another violent man who tried to kill a woman and who happens to be a teacher’.

There are violent men in our world. And some of them will be employed in schools and hospitals and many other jobs.

Most kids will treat this as dramatic gossip. Some will be upset and I imagine a lot of parents and fellow teachers will be disturbed. But having had kids go through secondary school, I doubt this will have any significant effect on behaviour. Stuff like a mobile phone ban or change to the length of breaks would cause much more rebellion.

Unic0rn · 02/03/2024 10:41

Bottomofthebarrel · 02/03/2024 01:59

This week a teacher at my DD’s secondary school was arrested for attempted murder. He stabbed a woman in the head and neck in broad daylight, and I believe he was only unsuccessful in killing her because other people intervened. She is in a critical condition in hospital, so he could be looking at a murder charge. This has all been in the news, including the BBC.

This man was teaching my own child until very recently. She was given an after school detention by him for being very slightly late to his lesson, and the detention was just him and her sat in a room. That sends shivers down my spine now. I can’t get the whole thing out of my head.

This must be so disturbing for all the kids at the school. I feel that the school are potentially going to struggle more with behaviour control from now on - this man was employed as one of their role models so I can’t help but feel they’ve lost the moral high ground. Not to mention the effect on those who are in their exam years and are now minus a subject teacher.

How the fuck does someone like that become a teacher? I must say in the last 9 years since my DC started secondary, I’ve come across a few - all of them male - teachers who have got my back up and seem to be definite ‘power tripping know it all’ types, and not particularly bright to boot. There’s another male teacher in another local school who was in the news, having to pay £200,000 damages to his neighbour after a childish bullying campaign which went on for years.

Is this the best we can do? I get teaching isn’t the most attractive profession, but it actually terrifies me that these people are supposed to be guiding and leading our children, sometimes on a one to one basis. My worry is that with the current shortage of teachers, and desperation to fill vacancies, the standards are going to sink even lower.

This isn’t a general teacher bashing thread, there are many truly wonderful ones out there, and I know it’s an incredibly difficult job. Just feeling very shaken by what has happened this week. My DD really didn’t like this man and I assumed it was her being a stroppy teen, now I feel awful for not taking her seriously.

It’s quite simple. Low pay and poor conditions won’t attract the best people. Make teaching something the best graduates aspire to.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 02/03/2024 10:40

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:30

I can't believe I've come onto Mumsnet on all places to find grown women being competitive cool girls about a teacher who's nearly murdered a woman.

Edited

I've never held teachers in high regard they are babysitting our children.

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:39

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 10:37

I don't know about Shipman, but many of Lucy Letby's colleagues raised concerns about her and were shut down - and even forced to apologise for it.

God you're right, I'd forgotten that disturbing fact.

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:38

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 10:37

I don't know about Shipman, but many of Lucy Letby's colleagues raised concerns about her and were shut down - and even forced to apologise for it.

Yes, doctor forced to participate in mediation and apologise to Letby after he raised concerns. Other concerns raised not investigated in timely mannner or minimised

Piggywaspushed · 02/03/2024 10:38

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:35

Honest question, did I miss the doctors and nurses joking about Shipman and Letby's tendencies before their crimes were revealed?

No, but colleagues raised the alarm about Letby and it was found that their concerns were ignored.

Until we know this happened - or happens routinely - in this and other schools the cases aren't comparable.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 10:37

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:35

Honest question, did I miss the doctors and nurses joking about Shipman and Letby's tendencies before their crimes were revealed?

I don't know about Shipman, but many of Lucy Letby's colleagues raised concerns about her and were shut down - and even forced to apologise for it.

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:36

Given that Couzens nn amongst colleagues was the rapist that suggests they had concerns that were minimised

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:35

Unicorntastic · 02/03/2024 10:32

Yep, Ditto Shipman and Letby.

Honest question, did I miss the doctors and nurses joking about Shipman and Letby's tendencies before their crimes were revealed?

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:34

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:30

I can't believe I've come onto Mumsnet on all places to find grown women being competitive cool girls about a teacher who's nearly murdered a woman.

Edited

That’s a bold statement.Can you elaborate with examples

Unicorntastic · 02/03/2024 10:32

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:17

The difference with Couzens was that his previous criminal activity was reported and ignored. His colleagues knew how problematic he was and joked about.

"We couldn't possibly have foreseen this" is simply untrue in Couzens' case. Hence the suspicion and distrust of the system that allowed him to continue his criminality.

Yep, Ditto Shipman and Letby.

CHRIS003 · 02/03/2024 10:31

When my son was at secondary school one of his teacher was arrested and charged with historic child abuse (someone came forward as an adult and said he abused two girls twenty odd years earlier ). He was charged and served a prison sentence- my son and his classmates were pretty shocked as he was a popular teacher with the kids - my son liked him and said he was a nice kind teacher so you just never know really.

Piggywaspushed · 02/03/2024 10:31

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I haven't done any of that, thanks.

You are the one that has literally, out of your own mouth, minimised attempted murder by saying the words of some people on this thread are potentially worse than stabbing someone in the neck.

I also don't think you can know that all the posters doing what you claim are teachers. A quick check back suggests few people have stated their profession.

mrsdineen2 · 02/03/2024 10:31

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:30

I can't believe I've come onto Mumsnet on all places to find grown women being competitive cool girls about a teacher who's nearly murdered a woman.

Edited

I also can't believe it.

Literally. Can you give examples please?

FKAT · 02/03/2024 10:30

I can't believe I've come onto Mumsnet on all places to find grown women being competitive cool girls about a teacher who's nearly murdered a woman.

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/03/2024 10:27

Teachers,like all professions draw from society ,human beings have their flaws which include rage,poor impulse control and violence. Unfortunately, this teacher has been involved in a violent act causes as yet unknown. Fortunately, such behaviours are the minority and the majority of teachers are hard-working, diligent, conscientious professionals.

I’m in health and there have been murderous,violent & unsavoury practitioners ranging from doctors to nurses to paramedics and AHP that itself does not directly mean that I think my colleagues may be murderers , violent or have unsavoury behaviours. However, I acknowledge that such acts do cause patients and the public to feel understandably feel unsettled.

Regards the pupils, I imagine it will be a bit of noteworthy conversation it is, of course an unusual event for your teacher to be involved in such a violent act. I do not think this will result in an anarchy or loss of structure in the school because that one individual has been engaged in a criminal act

FeelingLostTheseDays · 02/03/2024 10:24

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 04:43

Why would this impact their exams?

Honestly, I get being shocked. But you are being way over the top and making this about you and how you feel. When it's about the victim.

Some people do bad things. They dont become saints because of their job. I can't see anywhere the school are saying it's acceptable.

How would you expect the school to predict this would happen? If they couldn't predict it, what is you expect them to do before it happened?

A member of their staff did something horrific. He won't be teaching there anymore and will go to prison. How is that teaching that it's OK?

’Honestly, I get being shocked. But you are being way over the top and making this about you and how you feel.’

True. This whole AIBU feels a bit contrived and to make it about something it isn’t.

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