Teacher arrested for attempted murder

My job carries a great deal of responsibility and expected standards of conduct. On the very rare occasion someone has behaved in a way that does not befit the responsibility and status of our roles, I would be the very first to hold them to account. It would not occur to me to defend the indefensible. I am wondering how teaching as a profession as attracted so many happy to collude and make excuses for even attempted murder.

You can see how sexual and violent abuse has/ had free rein in boarding schools if the culture is as prevalent in real life as it is on here.

I wouldn't expect anyone to be stabbing anyone regardless of their job!

With regards to teachers behaviour in general - I would expect them to behave professionally while they're on the clock, but what they do in their free time is largely irrelevant.

Do what?
Are you suggesting that many 5 and 10 year olds would pass Maths GCSE if their parents were ambitious enough? Then surely it’s the parents’ lack of ambition that is standing in their way.

The term 'cool girl' means (among other things) a woman who will never criticise a man and ignore or find excuses for their worst behaviour. That's a bunch of quotes showing that. You asked, I gave you the examples. I'm not going to sit around debating whether those examples are apologia for male violence, because they are.

"Why don't you become a teacher?" is a classic MN response every time a poster criticises a teacher. That someone has used this cliche in the context of "if you're so perfect and never murder anyone, why don't YOU become a teacher?" is weird.

Nobody's expecting teachers not to be human. But we are expecting them not to knife people to near-death in broad daylight.

If there was a Sarah Everard thread full of police officers and others discussing how the police have such a hard job, they are only human and are allowed to make mistakes and the public have nothing to fear from them because it's only one murder and it gives the public something to gossip about - I wonder if it would be allowed to stand?

“When I read stories about a 5 and 10 year old passing their Maths GCSE what does that tell you about the system? “
Not sure why you think these outliers are a) desirable or b) tell you much about “the system”?
I’m sorry you have negative views of school. Don’t lump them all into one - there are some very good schools and very hardworking committed teachers out there.
I know maths is very important- but so is empathy and kindness. If you are interested in raising children who are fair, respectful and well balanced I would suggest you don’t tell them their teachers are just glorified baby sitters .

Does their paid for education involve teachers? Do they know how you view them?

Then you should lower your standards. There's a reason certain people choose to work in environments that they have close contact with vulnerable people. These stories aren't uncommon of police, teachers, nurses, drs doing unthinkable things, Abuse in care homes, hospitals, police stations and schools. What this teacher did is awful however it was in his personal life and not his work environment, so the fact he's a teacher is irrelevant

Thanks for giving me some head space. It's not for everyone.

Parents and carers are also arrested for similar behaviours and so are children. It is all so very disturbing but sadly reported incidents seem to be increasing.

Yes obviously but people are blaming this on the standard of teachers today. You get what you pay for. At the pay teachers receive, literally anyone could be standing in front of your children today, whoever they can get!

Absolutely not, because even the best teacher is going to find it difficult to combat poor attitude and disengagement in students who have no support at home, or who are actively encouraged to disengage, something that is far too prevalent.

I read your reply. It is nonsensical and my reply remains unchanged and I won’t be rethinking your post

Why not their parents are ambitious enough to do it.

@Limesodaagain what sort of crime though, I assume everyone doesn't expect or want anyone to stab another person no matter what their job?

I agree. In certain professions one is expected to have a high standard behaviour professionally and personally. It is very disturbing when doctor,police,teacher commit crimes. Given the responsibilities of their roles and then implicit trust placed in them

Read my other reply and think again. 5 and 10 year old passing their Maths GCSE.

When I read stories about a 5 and 10 year old passing their Maths GCSE what does that tell you about the system?

Pretty much nothing. Are you suggest that many 5 and 10 year old children should be passing GCSEs?

His profession might not be relevant to the jury but his profession is relevant to the OP and to me. We do expect a higher standard of behaviour from those who have vulnerable people in their care ( teachers, nurses, doctors , care workers)
Obviously there are people who fall short of the standards but we try to ensure that those who care for the vulnerable have ethical standards so it IS more disturbing when a doctor or teacher etc commits a crime .

Open your mind a bit more. Do you honesty think you're going to get an A class education if you leave it up to the teacher???

I've never held teachers in high regard they are babysitting our children
Not worthy of a reply. Try harder. It’s obvious and lame

And hopefully instilling some more positive attitudes in them than they find at home.

Performatively chill? I think you’re looking to prove a point about so called cool girls . I don’t read those quotes as yea whatevs cool. I read it as yes there is headline violence and some worry that there are paedophile potentially working in schools

the pupils will discuss,gossip this event doesn’t mean they normalise it or think it’s ok. It means it’s a shocking untoward event by an adult they’re told to respect as a role model

And the stone cold classic : Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?
How does that minimise or cool girl male violence? It’s neither stone cold, nor classic, It is not a classic quip by anyone measure

Finally, I’m not a teacher. The presumptive ,is evident in you 😀😀

It was my DS's first day there too!

I don't know how he was even in position after the amount of bullying he'd done.

Absolutely sick.

I pay for their education so they can be in smaller class sizes. I have also homeschooled. The hard work comes from home you know that. When I read stories about a 5 and 10 year old passing their Maths GCSE what does that tell you about the system?

How would you change the dbs / vetting system to catch a man like this ?
The dbs checking system was bought in after the Soham murders in early 2000's
After Ian Huntley was employed as a caretaker at the girls school despite having been investigated for incidents involving under age girls in his private life in another county.
The system will flag up people who have been charged or investigated or banned from working with children but how do stop someone getting a job if they have never been in trouble before ?
If the investigation into the teacher flags up that he had convictions for violence and they employed him then the school will be in all sorts of trouble but if he has no history of violence on record then how would changing the dbs checking system make any difference? You say the whole system needs to change but what would you propose? Change it to what ?
This man may have been an abuser to a wife / girlfriend in his life away from school but how would a dbs check show this up if he has never come to the attention of the police ?