Teacher arrested for attempted murder

"Teachers need support and respect from the parents or it becomes an impossible job."

That's a two way street it works both ways or it won't work. Everyone deserves respect and should be earned not given because you are a teacher. Teachers should not be immune from criticism.

Wait... so now what some posters say on MN, is worse than attempted murder?

I would be seriously shocked, and I think it will shock the kids in the school.

I don't think lippy kids saying well I'm not as bad as him will be tolerated.

There are evil people in every walk of life. Of course we hope they don't come in contact with our kids.

A few years ago in Ireland a school vice principal murdered his wife, their 3 sons then killed himself. That absolutely shook the community. But I don't think it ended up having any reputation damage or lasting behavioural scar on the school. Of course it will always be connected to that school though.

Maybe read up on your media law before posting something that simply isn't true.

Aren’t you dismayed and demoralised by the posts on here demeaning the op, dismissing a violent slaying of an innocent woman by a teacher as mere mental health issues? Saying the job/money/kids drove him to it?

I agree I would feel utterly bereft reading this thread, but not for the same reason as you!

“Witnessing the op being silenced, shouted down, having her feelings of shock minimised, her child’s exposure to risk dismissed. It is deeply shocking that a braying bunch of teachers should enter the thread on mass and take down the op in the way that they have. “
I agree with this
I’m a teacher and I’m shocked by the reaction of some on here.

I agree with this.
Can we agree

1. NO ONE should commit murder .
2. Those who are in positions of authority/ care are and must be carefully vetted.
3. Sometimes people will slip through the vetting processes
4. It is understandable that a parent would feel upset upon hearing that a teacher who taught her child has been arrested for attempted murder.

There are a number of people who are using this thread to make sweeping generalisations about teachers. It’s unfair and demoralising to read. I’ve been teaching for over thirty years and the vast majority of teachers are committed and hardworking and care about their students. There are wider societal issues that have made teaching a difficult job. Teachers need support
and respect from the parents or it becomes an impossible job.

There were concerns raised about Shipman as well. Another local GP and an undertaker raised concerns about the high number of deaths of Shipman's patients. But the resulting police enquiry was abortive and botched, and so he was free to continue to kill more victims.

Different take to may posters here.
Along with many decisions that our 'betters' have made on our behalf, without any form of consultation (elimination of safe spaces, concurrent rather than consecutive sentences, crimes against assets aren't serious even if they make vulnerable people afraid to live law-abiding lives, victim-shaming and gaslighting ...) there seems to be an assumption that any person's natural state is one of being useful in society, respectful of others and safe to be let out in public.
If taxpayers and the electorate were given a choice (David Cameron probably has misgivings) would we be happier to take violent and repeat offenders out of society for many decades? Police in London in a rare feat of ingenuity and conscientiousness put a tracker in a bike in an area with lots of CCTV, they caught the gang who had stolen £200,000 of bikes and bike theft dropped by 90%.
Teachers, police officers and medical staff self-select their careers, with assumptions that they feel some vocation or desire to help vulnerable people - to the extent that Wayne Couzens should have been prevented by three police forces from getting a Warrant card (legitimately authorising him to make arrests while on- or off-duty) and carrying a gun. Those in a position to keep him out always gave him the benefit of the doubt.

It suggests a culture rotten to the core, if this thread is anything to go by.

A DBS can only show crimes of which a,person has been convicted off ( although I think an enhanced one can have others relevant info on it)
Even if this teacher wss regularly attacking his partner ,if it had never been reported there would be no record or conviction, s.

It is a sinister culture of silencing anyone that dares to speak up that reflects the character and moral fibre of the people entrusted to care for the most vulnerable in our society. It is far worse than the attempted murder.

How many attempted murders is it the equivalent of?

I'd wager that the vast majority of parents pay absolutely no attention to the reasons for staff dismissals, prison data and misconduct hearings.

I also never said schools were "full of criminal teachers" - I said that it's probably more common than we think and most cases never reach the news, you'd have to actively go looking.

I've also said (multiple times) that his profession is completely irrelevant when it comes to what happened. It's horrendous because it's horrendous, not because he's a teacher.

Forums are able to speak about anything !!! They do not have to follow any such legislation. It’s called democracy

How awful for you, your DD and the rest of the school. And for his victim of course. Most people are fortunate enough not to have a person like this come so close to home, so don't realise quite how shocking and disturbing it is, how it shakes your confidence in who should be trusted, and even (rightly or wrongly) feels like a danger to your child was narrowly averted and brings fear for them to the surface. You will take some time to process this, and part of that is looking for what went wrong, so your questions are understandable. Hopefully, the school will have some support in place.

This is just ridiculous. Of course it's a terrible thing to happen and shocking for everyone else associated with the school, but how in heaven's name could what happened reflect on other teachers at the school? They are individuals, and some are good, some are bad, some will suffer from a mental breakdown at some point perhaps - that's life. Because this incident happened, it doesn't imply that the other teachers shouldn't be treated in the same way as before (and with respect, I'd hope). How does the appalling action of one colleague alter the way others are treated? It makes no sense at all and theories like this could contribute to making a bad situation even worse.

Schools literally hold records of staff dismissals . There is prison data.
Misconduct hearings are in the public domain.

It's not helpful to suggest schools are full of criminal teachers.

It is also literally not relevant to the awful crime committed by this man.

Segueing off on to things that teachers may -or may not- have done in schools oevr the last 40 or so years isn't productive or relevant.

It strongly suggests people think this man attacked and nearly killed a woman because he was a teacher - and that somehow his colleagues(nay the whole profession) colluded with this.

Surprised @MNHQ is still keeping this thread up. For one thing, it's too divisive for anyone to agree on, and it's just triggering nastiness and spite, and now the suspect has been arrested and charged, proceedings are active and reporting restrictions do apply, so it's a legal minefield too.

How the hell do you know what the impact will be to the children? On pupils already struggling with anxiety and stress. It’s an horrendous situation, stop minimising!!

@Newchapterbeckons well, it didn't happen in the college, and (as far as we're aware) he doesn't have previous for harming children. It's also highly likely that his victim is a current or former romantic partner, which is often the case, so his MO is not attacking pupils. Plus a fair few posters have said how shocking event at their school when they were children didn't traumatise anyone, it was exciting gossip.

So although the pupils may be shocked, I actually think it does more harm than good to assume they'll be affected and doing the "Oh god darling, isn't it awful. And to think you were in the same room as him!" How do you feel about that? Would you like counselling?" routine. Possibly what would help those already struggling with their MH would be to help stop them navel-gazing rather than assume they need support, and to highlight the prevalence of male on female violence in romantic relationships instead if they must. Highlight it wasn't a teacher on pupil attack, and to centre the victim rather than themselves.

How is this the schools fault?
18years ago there was an horrific murder of a year 7 child by a year 10child who both attended the same s school.I went to ( admittedly years,after I lef) and my nephews subsequently attended
I don doubt the students there at the time were traumatized by it but was in no way the schools fault
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There are 1.5 million people working in schools, statistically you are going to get some who commit crimes, no matter what safeguarding procedures are in place.

I don't think it's as rare as we like to pretend it is.

Lots of crimes never really make the papers and it's very easy to brush things under the carpet and pretend Mr so-and-so is off sick or Mrs X had to leave suddenly because of a family emergency.

I have been teaching for 30 years and it has never happened in any schools I have worked in. It is extremely rare (thank God). Two teachers at my DS's school, left fairly forcibly both regarding incidents outside of school. One of these was basic homophobia dressed up as concern.

This thread is stoking paranoia.

Where has anyone leapt to his defence?