Teacher arrested for attempted murder

I think you raise a good point op. My kids teacher did a terrible thing a couple of months ago. Everyone in school knows about it. It has an impact on the kids. I’m not sure what the solution is

Unfortunately some men attack woman. The fact he was a teacher isn’t the shocking part. People in trusted professions can sometimes do terrible things eg Shipman…..

As for other staff losing the moral
high ground/ being open to ‘gobby kids’ that’s the current state of teaching just now any way - more reflective of their upbringing rather than their teachers.

Uh....why on earth would this send a message that such behaviour is acceptable? He's going to prison. That's a pretty strong message that such behaviour is UNacceptable. This comment makes no sense.

The teacher, until he tried to kill someone, was deserving of repect by his pupils so your daughter being expected to respect him was not wrong.

The case will be unsettling for the whole school because he was a trusted man amongst them.
It will be interesting to see what prompted his attack and why he became unhinged and violent.

Hoping the school handles it well.

The entire vetting / enhanced DBS process needs to change

How?

OP you cannot say anything negative about teachers on mumsnet.

This will be hugely traumatic for many children, particularly those who trusted them - as teenagers they still have developing frontal lobes and yes it may impact them in ways it wouldn’t an adult.

The entire vetting / enhanced DBS process needs to change and the school need to support their students.

I would really focus and think about how you can support your daughter and peers if needed.

This is absolutely grim

I agree. I think the school will need to cover it and help the kids make sense of it. How they do that will set the scene.

Interesting the school says it is a domestic issue that doesn’t raise any safeguarding issues.

This thread is quite strange. If I was teaching a child who was misbehaving and they turned round to me and said, "but at least I haven't tried to kill someone like Mr Smith (or whoever)", I'd say to them "Yes, that's why you're not going to prison for a long time, as will happen to him if he's convicted. You have, however, been rude and not listening so you are going to detention."

I'm sure he wasn't thinking about being a role model when this incident occurred.

Personally I think the worst part of the message that this incident sends is how common it is for girls and women to be the victims of male violence, committed by perpetrators from all walks of life.

Why don’t you re-train and become a teacher?

Honestly the kids are probably loving it. We had something like this at my school when I was a teen and it was like the best gossip we’d ever heard. We weren’t traumatized at all - if anything a bit disappointed when it all died down and there wasn’t much else to talk about it.

I mean it’s not ideal but he presumably hadn’t committed a crime before this one so wasn’t flagged as a risk in any of the schools security checks. I don’t know what more you expect the school to other than hire psychics to assess all teachers futures?

I don't think there is a test a school can use to see how people are on 'are you going to commit a crime in the future?' Scale

I would assume you sucking all of the drama out of this will have more affect on your child that what has happened, it is not all about you

Why would this impact their exams?

Honestly, I get being shocked. But you are being way over the top and making this about you and how you feel. When it's about the victim.

Some people do bad things. They dont become saints because of their job. I can't see anywhere the school are saying it's acceptable.

How would you expect the school to predict this would happen? If they couldn't predict it, what is you expect them to do before it happened?

A member of their staff did something horrific. He won't be teaching there anymore and will go to prison. How is that teaching that it's OK?

The detention may creep out your daughter. I thought teachers weren't supposed to be on their own with pupils anymore?

Domestic stabbings in public places in the daytime are quite unusual. For him to attack immediately after work would disturb colleagues in any profession, never mind children being taught by him. Hope the school handles it well and the victim recovers.

I'd ram home to the dc that it's rare, unforeseeable and he's ruined his life.

I would hope the school will be addressing this in form time or assembly when they’ve worked out what they can and cannot say. I understand you’re freaked out. But in answer to your op, no I don’t think so.

People that commit offences like this aren't just teachers!

Anyone can be a murderer

May be. That’s a common way for women to be murdered. But it’s very unusual for the police to run reassurance patrols when it’s a domestic murder.

It's highly likely that the woman was most likely the man's partner and that the attack was fuelled by jealously or control.
The students would probably never have been at risk from him.
Anyone can have a mental breakdown too which it also could have been due to.
Try to think more positively as this mentality will not be good for your own mental health.
(ALL THE TYPO'S) 😴

It's highly likely that the woman was moag likely the mana partner and that the attack was fuelled by jealously or control.
The students would probably never have been at risk from him.
Anyone can have a mental breakdown too which it also.cojld have been due to.
Try to think more positively as this mentality will mot be good for your own mental health.

I think this kind of ghoulish voyeurism is unhelpful. My husband's old teacher was convicted of murder or manslaughter and my husband said it was very sad as he'd obviously gone off the rails. He didn't ponder whether the said teacher could have murdered him in the chemistry lab.

"This must be so disturbing for all the kids at the school."

Unlikely. When I was at school the rumour mill about the terrible shit teachers got up to (or we thought they'd got up to), was the most exciting thing amongst all the teens. It was exciting gossip, not traumatic. Some girls would be dramatic about it but no one was genuinely disturbed.

And you are placing far too much emphasis on teachers being role models.

We looked up to a tiny minority of teachers at school. Most we were disdainful of tbh in that teen know it all sort of way. And the odd ones who had to "suddenly leave" because of an illicit relationship or who was alcoholic or something or other, never came as a surprise.

The school isn't sending any kind of message about acceptable behaviour. What this man did and this shocking incident isn't any reflection on them at all.

However it’s the perfect comeback for a lippy kid though isn’t it, if they get in trouble, whatever they do isn’t going to be as bad as what Mr Jones did

this is just ridiculous. He’s not the first person to do something horrific. He won’t be the first person from that school to do something horrific. Most kids, when being told off, don’t say “well, at least I didn’t stab someone multiple times”. And if they did they would be given a whithering stare and told to stop being ridiculous! (And reported to safeguarding).