Teacher arrested for attempted murder

There are good and bad in all professions. Doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers. All have good and bad in them. It's a fact of life.

Cue visions of your Daughter being thrown into the back of a police van covered in blood shouting "BUT MR JONES THOUGHT IT WAS OK!".

What a ridiculous post.
Even the lippiest of kids wouldn't cross that line. What a moronic thing to say about the school loosing the moral high ground.

I feel that the school are potentially going to struggle more with behaviour control from now on

Why? Poor behaviour is often down to parents not teachers. Maybe if we vetted parents more rigorously before admitting badly behaved kids into schools?

I feel sorry for the poor woman in this situation, we don’t know all the facts and are speculating.

I thought the same. What was ops dd doing on her own after school with a male teacher? That alone is cause for concern.

I was agreeing with you. I should have been more clear.

I don’t know what’s worse the attempted murder or the response on here.

Agree. I'm shocked at the response, particularly that two-thirds of people apparently think the OP is unreasonable. Imagine finding out that one of your child's teachers is going to be charged with murder or attempted murder. It would absolutely send shivers down your spine. It would also make me insist to the school that no child should ever be alone in a room with a male teacher, as happened to the OP's DD.

I think it is a big deal, will be very unsettling for the kids in the school, especially those who were taught by him. Kids are told to respect and obey teachers, and teachers have significant power over them, so to find one who is accussesed of such a violent crime is deeply unnerving.

It is a bigger news story because it's a teacher, because teachers are trusted with our children so effectively are held to a higher standard.

No, because many people are not charged with safe guarding children, shaping their world view and educating them!

Do you not grasp the responsibility and power you have? Clearly you should resign, if you are so unaware of your substantial responsibilities.

You should make sure the school clarify to pupils that attempted murder is not acceptable behaviour even though it was a teacher that did it. Just for those pupils who might be unsure.

🙄 Honestly.

Did you read my post? I am saying the opposite replying to a poster who did say that.

when someone raises about whether we are vetting teachers properly or toxic behaviour from teachers in schools we aren't allowed to do that? Why?

The Lucy Letby and Sarah Everard cases are different because the crimes happened as a direct result someone's job.

The fact that this man is a teacher isn't what gave him access to his victim and isn't what enabled him to stab her in broad daylight.

They're not comparable in that respect.

I'm not minimising at all. Of course it's horrendous. I acknowledged that in my first post. OP's the one who conflated what happened to the poor woman to the state of male teachers and that's what I and others have responded to. I don't know what the impact on the children will be. OP is the one being hysterical about it triggering kids into stabbing each other without pointing out that, thankfully, none of the pupils witnessed it.

Frankly, the entire thread is disgraceful and should be taken down. It's awful that OP is using an attack on a woman to pit posters against each other. I'm stepping away now.

@Newchapterbeckons, if you care to read even the opening line of this thread, you will see that the OP made this thread about teachers.

Spare us your ghoulish voyeurism.

I would have much more respect for teachers overall if they were able to say of course it’s awful and thankfully rare, and most teachers are stable members of society. Rather than pouring petrol on an attempted murder by saying we drink, take drugs and are just like lorry drivers. Yeah he probably had mh issues ( brought on by the job - ie your kids) and is not our fault. Nothing is ever our fault.

Jusr zero empathy. Zero acknowledgement that this is hideous for the children. Zero accountability for your expected behaviour within society.

I don’t know what’s worse the attempted murder or the response on here.

I’d say this is the perfect opportunity for you to have a conversation with your daughter. Help her to talk about and process any feelings she may have. I’m fairly sure the school will be doing the same with their staff and students.

But unless they invent time travel to look into the future before hiring- what do you want? Is being a murderer in anywhere else in society ok? No. Why focus on the teacher part?

Is this a trick question? The OP has focused on the teacher part because the teacher was one of her dd teachers 🧐

No, but her points are silly.

He's a role model - in all likelihood he's not. He's some wanker they didn't really like.

The children will be traumatised- no, it's going to be gossip and drama at their PE teacher was arrested for attempted murder

The children might use it as a reason not to do detention - unlikely, but it doesn't matter because they'll be going to detention anyway.

One of my teachers was sacked for a relationship with a y12/13. We all found him creepy and a dick. Nobody was traumatised, he became a joke. That's not to say what he did was a joke.

We expect a certain level of stability, safety and dignity - absolutely. Not unreasonably.

The same should be the case for every single person no matter what job they work.

This post borders on being disrespectful to be honest.

Of course we have female nurses but we’ve also changed things at a procedural level to try to prevent these sorts of crimes taking place.

I am wondering if anyone else remembers Ian Huntley and Soham. Very easy to be flippant when it isn’t your child in the same room as a violent, unpredictable man, isn’t it?

For the shock, for sure. It’s understandable to be shocked and shaken up, but I don’t think it’s okay to start the ‘It could have been me’ stuff, especially when there are children around, or the ‘who shall we blame’ stuff - the one to blame is the man who committed this crime.

The students, teachers, school and mostly the lady and her family need the support, not the gruesome stuff that always arises with these incidents.

The OP didn’t imply she was in danger, she said the fact her dd who was a student had a detention alone with him & gave her shivers which I think is understandable.
People like to think they can judge characters & see red flags etc it’s comforting when in reality there often aren’t any. And blame is human nature, of course the man who committed the crime is to blame but I would think it was odd to not question if all the correct employment checks etc were carried out. After all parents lose trust in schools for a lot less than have an attempted murderer as a teacher.

I think there should be no more female nurses since the Lucy Letby case.

I think all DBS checks should be carried out by people who can predict the future.

This is effectively what some posters are saying and it's ridiculous.

A guy I was in uni with murdered his dad and a former client was jailed for manslaughter. While upsetting & disturbing, I didn't develop any similar murderous tenancies. This man's pupils are unlikely to too.

There's good & bad in every walk of life. You can't eliminate that. However, it is a tiny minority of people.

I don't think we should tar teachers with the attempted murder brush at all but somehow threads on here about the police can talk about institutionalised sexism/racism and that is fair game but when someone raises about whether we are vetting teachers properly or toxic behaviour from teachers in schools we aren't allowed to do that? Why?

We expect a certain level of stability, safety and dignity - absolutely. Not unreasonably.

Really don’t get your point? It is a teacher bashing thread. What exactly do you suggest is done? Teachers are actual human beings despite the Mumsnet crowd feeling they are scum who should do as they are told. What this man has done is despicable. But unless they invent time travel to look into the future before hiring- what do you want? Is being a murderer in anywhere else in society ok? No. Why focus on the teacher part?