Teacher arrested for attempted murder

How ironic your last sentence is

Teachers do not have power though! So I suppose those who think teachers have power would assume that but they do not.

Well, not in the real world they don't, but they are considered authority figures in schools and, as unsavoury as it is, lots of abusive people get off on controlling people who are weaker and smaller than they are.

Children are, for the most part, conditioned to listen to their teachers and respect them.

Do you assume all violent men who attack women must be having a nervous breakdown? Sorry, but this comes over to me as really minimising yet another incidence of male violence against women.

If a teacher is found to be a domestic abuser it is AWFUL. But the odds of them having committed a crime on children is less. Not 0, which is why is understandable to feel unsettled, but children aren’t their most likely target.

@SaladIsShitAndWeAllKnowIt Ive not said children were the target & the OPs dd was in danger?

Doesn’t mean a parent wouldn’t be wanting a thorough investigation.

I said parents are going to have questions & expect communication with the school.

But, I suspect logic isn’t what you’re after

I certainly won’t find it on this thread! People can’t even read! 😆

Which is what I’ve said, repeatedly. But what I’ve said is, AT THIS TIME, there’s no need to start looking to blame potentially innocent people. The same thing I have said over and over again you are being deliberately obtuse. I have said repeatedly that after the questioning has happened then might be the time to start asking the school about their role. I have also said that yes the school need to be offering support to the students whether they do this is counselling, whether they do this with the statement whether they do this with an assembly is up to them, I have said yes they need to be offering support. Do you wanna call that communication you call it communication I’m calling it support. I have said this repeatedly what I have said is that it is not okay to start blaming the school or the teachers are trying to find a reason why they are responsible

Absolutely horrific but just like your next door neighbour can turn out to be a serial killer , teachers are just people. We don't expect people to do these things. No one is going to turn up to an interview and admit they fantasise about stabbing someone.

Cool, so being rude is what you’re now resorting to. Such a strong rebuttal, really supports you repeating your same point of ‘but they have a right to’. . I stand by everything I’ve said, the demand for blame is unwarranted.

So you are still reiterating then?

And you still aren’t comprehending.

It doesn’t matter if the parents are right or wrong to have questions the fact is they are going to have questions. You have to acknowledge that hence the need for communication.

Haven't read the full thread, but I thought detentions were held in a particular room with all pupils who received a detention, not separately with just one teacher and one pupil in a classroom. I thought this was introduced ages ago to safeguard teachers and pupils.

As your name suggests, I think you are ‘scraping’ @Bottomofthebarrel, this has got nothing to do with ‘a moral high ground’ get a grip 🙄

Probably because it comes from the top, and the culture of bullying is replicated all the way down. That's the point I was trying to make.

They do have an argument. A super clear one. You just keep doing all the low blow, goady replies of someone not interested in engaging but simply “winning”. “Why are you so upset/are you okay” shit that ruins intelligent debates.

The point was if a teacher is found out to be a peadophile it is immediately terrifying to a parent as their crime is related to children. Children they have constant, uninterrupted access to. “Have they committed crimes at work?” is a very reasonable question.

If a teacher is found to be a domestic abuser it is AWFUL. But the odds of them having committed a crime on children is less. Not 0, which is why is understandable to feel unsettled, but children aren’t their most likely target.

Doesn’t mean a parent wouldn’t be wanting a thorough investigation.

It’s not minimising. It’s a fact.

But, I suspect logic isn’t what you’re after. The joys of MN! 🤣

Exactly this. I expect his colleagues are as shocked as everyone else.

Also at no point did I say they don’t have to communicate. I said they did.
i hope you got the argument you were looking for but I won’t be agreeing with you that such questions are appropriate at this stage.

It doesn’t break talk guidelines. I just don’t think the murder of babies is something to be sarcastic and acerbic about.

The point isn’t whether one man or woman is representative of a profession.

The point is that because of that profession, they are able to do things that they wouldn’t otherwise have done. LL wouldn’t have had access to babies; the girls in Soham would not have gone into the house of a stranger.

It is easy to be flippant and sarky when your child came home.

Cool, so being rude is what you’re now resorting to. Such a strong rebuttal, really supports you repeating your same point of ‘but they have a right to’. .How infantile. I stand by everything I’ve said, the demand for blame is unwarranted.

Urgh, the classic ‘ArE yOu OkAy?’ Attempt at belittling someone’s more than acceptable argument.

You don’t have an argument. You have conflated & for whatever reason struggled to comprehend my posts. How does one argue with that?

Yes, I think it is. As I have made very clear, I think it’s the wrong thing to do at this stage. I bet when other murders take place you don’t go around demanding the construction industry or that bakers perform stricter DVS checks?

Where have I said the school should perform stricter checks?

An inquiry is a must. But right now? No. End of. Just no.

Where have I said anything about an inquiry?

The parents have nothing to demand of the school at this stage except that the school cooperates with the police and then I believe they should offer support to students who need it. But they don’t need to answer to any sort of suggestions of blame.

Where have I said the school is to blame.

What I did say was I would expect the school to have some form of communication & dialogue with their community because of the circumstances & it wasn’t relevant that the murder was on site or not. And I said I would expect parents to have all sorts of questions.

But fair enough you think that if a teacher is arrested & charged with a crime then there should be zero comms from the school & disagree with me.

I’m not responding to you now, I’m done with repeating myself and you still not listening.

I bet this happens a lot 😆

Murder is generally considered unacceptable behaviour isn't it? 😂

Yeah. Probably failed to get into the Police.

YANBU to be shocked at someone teaching your child to be involved in this
But other than that, no. The school cannot forsee what's going to happen

I don’t agree with the OP’s concerns (although to be fair to her I think she is processing things and I’d be pretty damn horrified if my child had been alone in a room with a man who had gone on to do this).

I don’t think it’s right, the people who are saying “your child was never at risk”. You can’t possibly know that.

People are either capable of this stuff, or they aren’t. If you are the sort of person who gets so angry and irrational that your instinct is to punch/kick/strangle/stab someone, and there is nothing within you that stops you crossing that line, then I don’t see how it could be said with any sort of certainty that you wouldn’t cross that line with a student (but a partner is fair game).

but it has nothing to do with the OP, who is fuelling her child’s fear and making it about herself… which is what this thread is about. She is not the victim, nor is her child.

I haven’t said she was a victim but it does have something to do with her as it was one of her dd’s teachers. I was just questioning why you thought your DHs response was proportionate but the OP wasn’t.

Please feel free to start another thread about the heinousness of the case, the fact that despite the viciousness of the attack he has not been remanded into custody, of the fact that we still think that only men from certain backgrounds commit these sorts of crimes, that DV is still not managed on a societal level, and women are incredibly unprotected both by violent partners and a the system that does not step in soon enough and I’ll be there cheering you on, as I agree.

Crack on then, you don’t need my permission!

Urgh, the classic ‘ArE yOu OkAy?’ Attempt at belittling someone’s more than acceptable argument.

Yes, I think it is. As I have made very clear, I think it’s the wrong thing to do at this stage. I bet when other murders take place you don’t go around demanding the construction industry or that bakers perform stricter DVS checks? Especially when the crime wasn’t committed on their premises or has anything to do with those industries? No. But if it’s teaching or nursing they must be held accountable, even when the crime has NOTHING to do with that profession. IF more comes out during questioning about his past or suspicions then yes. An inquiry is a must. But right now? No. End of. Just no. The parents have nothing to demand of the school at this stage except that the school cooperates with the police and then I believe they should offer support to students who need it. But they don’t need to answer to any sort of suggestions of blame.

I’m not responding to you now, I’m done with repeating myself and you still not listening. We feel differently. End of.

Teachers do not have power though! So I suppose those who think teachers have power would assume that but they do not.