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Food orders for work related events are to be vegan and vegetarian only

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ValerieVomit · 01/03/2024 12:58

We all received an email at work to say that when we order catering in future for work related events we can only order vegetarian and vegan food. The management team has imposed this. It's to reduce our carbon footprint. I don't think that this means there is to be no carnivorous food available for the rest of the organisation but our department won't allow us to order any.

Reasonable or not?

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CarrotOfPeace · 01/03/2024 19:13

Soreteatowel · 01/03/2024 18:52

The vast majority of soya produced in what was rain forest is for animal feed.

Yes I know that I'm not thick

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/03/2024 19:11

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 01/03/2024 18:29

@NeverDropYourMooncup ; Sarson's Malt Vinegar is made from barley which contains gluten. The end product however contains a trace amount of gluten, which is well below the level that is safe for most people with coeliac disease.”
Thai soy sauce is naturally gluten free.
If you have a soy allergy you can use coconut aminos.

However, anyone who is coeliac or has a allergy will inform the caterers beforehand. Caterers can either play it smart with alternative ingredients or keep it simple. As an allergy sufferer, I expect my food to be kept to one side and covered.

That's not good enough for a Coeliac, as there's no visible bottle to check in the case of a random dressing.

This gives a long list of things that have to be checked - including tofu, soy sauce (and no, not all Thai soy sauce is wheat free, any more than all fish sauce is) https://www.coeliac.org.uk/document-library/6679-gluten-free-checklist-january-2020/

I have notified caterers in advance before. That's how I've ended up with soya mince - with barley and wheat in the ingredients that they didn't expect me to want to check. No salad because it had croutons, couscous or pasta mixed in. No cheese because it was on plates with crackers and bread. No falafel because of wheat in it. And so on...

At least with a standard buffet, there's a fighting chance of being the first to a sealed packet of antipasti and a few olives before the breadstick snappers fetch up and render everything inedible.

Gluten Free Checklist

https://www.coeliac.org.uk/document-library/6679-gluten-free-checklist-january-2020

NoraBattysCurlers · 01/03/2024 19:10

Those ssaying they will not attend if food is vegetarian and vegan - it sounds far more like a promise than a threat.

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 01/03/2024 19:09

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 01/03/2024 17:07

@caringcarer
I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan and won't be forced into it. There would be a huge backlash if only meat eaters were catered for and vegetarians or vegans were left out
One buffet at work being all vegan/vegetarian isn't forcing you into it
It's not that you can't eat the food, it's that you don't want to.
It's hardly the same for a vegan or vegetarian only being catered meat!
I say this as a meat eater!

Notwithstanding allergies is it not exactly the same thing? Vegans/vegetarians choose that diet?

bakewellbride · 01/03/2024 19:06

@Mumofoneandone it's much worse to impose abuse, pain, suffering and death needlessly on billions of innocent animals every year.

TeenyTinyCrocodile · 01/03/2024 19:06

Slightly healthier for everyone else.

Not necessarily no.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 01/03/2024 19:04

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 01/03/2024 13:03

Reasonable, but not for the reason given.

Meat-eaters can (and do) consume vegan and vegetarian foods but not vice versa, so offering foods everyone can enjoy seems fair.

Less reasonable that it might seem:

Many people don't eat vegan food because much of it is so highly processed.

Vegans don't eat all vegetarian food.

SD1978 · 01/03/2024 19:04

Would slightly irritate me, because I don't enjoy vegetable sandwiches, usually find they are mushy and a bit unpleasant would stick with the fruit platter.

Icedoatlattelove · 01/03/2024 19:03

I think this is pretty standard in my experience.

TimetoPour · 01/03/2024 19:02

It is a lunch on someone else’s dime.

Get over yourselves.

bakewellbride · 01/03/2024 19:00

As a vegan I get meat-eating shoved in my face as 'the done thing' on a daily basis and am expected to endure this constantly without complaint. Yet some meat-eaters whinge and moan at this initiative. How pathetic!

It's a great idea and I'd be so proud if I worked for that company.

RobertaFirmino · 01/03/2024 19:00

Mumofoneandone · 01/03/2024 18:53

Totally wrong for this to be imposed on people. Came across one council sets of meetings who tried this and most of the food had to be binned at the end as people didn't want to eat, particularly, vegan food. They ended up with all food ranges in the end.
Look at all the vegan food companies going bust/reducing their ranges as there isn't the interest in it.

How is it being imposed? Nobody is forced to eat it are they?

Soreteatowel · 01/03/2024 18:57

mitogoshi · 01/03/2024 18:48

Personally I object to eating ultra processed foods and most commercial vegan foods are. Far better to eat local from a carbon footprint point of view too. I personally struggle with cheese too, due to health issues

I'm not vegan but do enjoy a lot of vegan dishes. I never buy anything processed, vegan or otherwise. Vegan dishes are full of lovely fresh ingredients much more than a ham, chicken or cheese sandwich is

Bunnycat101 · 01/03/2024 18:56

The problem is I think a lot of places do it as a cost-cutting exercise rather than really doing it for dietary or environmental reasons so you then get the shittest of shit vegan buffet that everyone complains about.

im not adverse to it if some money is spent on the catering. The best wedding food we ever had was an Indian wedding where all the food was vegan. That is quite different to a dried up carrot sandwich.

Mumofoneandone · 01/03/2024 18:53

Totally wrong for this to be imposed on people. Came across one council sets of meetings who tried this and most of the food had to be binned at the end as people didn't want to eat, particularly, vegan food. They ended up with all food ranges in the end.
Look at all the vegan food companies going bust/reducing their ranges as there isn't the interest in it.

Soreteatowel · 01/03/2024 18:52

CarrotOfPeace · 01/03/2024 18:32

Fine as long as Soya and Avocados are banned too

The vast majority of soya produced in what was rain forest is for animal feed.

AlwaysGinPlease · 01/03/2024 18:52

If you don't like it, buy your own.

MCOut · 01/03/2024 18:51

caringcarer · 01/03/2024 17:48

If I don't like it I can't eat it. If this is what is always going to be on offer it is discrimination.

What are you? Five? You are actually hilarious. In the same way, vegetarians/ vegans/ religious persons/ allergy sufferers have to do without meals when they’re in spaces which don’t cater for them, I’m sure you can deal with the occasional meal without screaming discrimination.

mitogoshi · 01/03/2024 18:48

Personally I object to eating ultra processed foods and most commercial vegan foods are. Far better to eat local from a carbon footprint point of view too. I personally struggle with cheese too, due to health issues

Simonjt · 01/03/2024 18:47

Beautiful3 · 01/03/2024 18:27

I understand the veggie stuff, but not the vegan stuff. Vegan stuff is horrible.

Yeah vegan stuff is horrible, we had this awful vegan lunch, harrisa roast veg, couscous with mint, pomegranate seeds and charred chicory leaves.

Thementalloadisreal · 01/03/2024 18:45

nightmareXmas · 01/03/2024 18:39

Thanks so much for enlightening me, @Beautiful3 . I've been eating 'vegan stuff' for nearly 30 years and never noticed how horrible it is.

🙄when people say “vegan food” like they’ve never eaten a banana, nuts, Soreen malt loaf, an Oreo, jacket potato with baked beans, Bisto red gravy with roast potatoes, peanut butter on toast, popcorn, jam doughnuts, pitta and hummus, a nice big salad or soup!

LOL “vegan food” is just food.

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 01/03/2024 18:43

Who’s paying for the food at events? If staff are then it’s unreasonable not to be allowed a choice. If it’s paid for by the company then they can offer what they like

boozeclues · 01/03/2024 18:40

Nope this is insane!!

In my immediate team I have:

  • a vegetarian
  • a muslim who only eats halal
  • a Jewish guy who only eats kosher
  • someone who is gluten and dairy free due to allergies
  • a vegan
  • One of those people who only eat meat and whole grains (I forget the name of the diet, he has been eating this way for 5+ years though)

and we can still arrange a meal out or order food in the office to suit everyone (usually a decent Indian that has a vast vegan/veggie menu and halal meat options)

unless your office is in the middle of nowhere it should be possible in this day and age to cater for all diets. And as for the carbon thing, I wonder how many of your management team drive fancy company cars, have massive bonuses, take regular holidays abroad and live in massive houses way bigger than their needs.

its virtue signalling on the backs of the regular employee, who’s only perks probably include a free lunch every now and then and some free tea and coffee.

BeeHappy12 · 01/03/2024 18:40

Great decision

nightmareXmas · 01/03/2024 18:39

Beautiful3 · 01/03/2024 18:27

I understand the veggie stuff, but not the vegan stuff. Vegan stuff is horrible.

Thanks so much for enlightening me, @Beautiful3 . I've been eating 'vegan stuff' for nearly 30 years and never noticed how horrible it is.