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Food orders for work related events are to be vegan and vegetarian only

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ValerieVomit · 01/03/2024 12:58

We all received an email at work to say that when we order catering in future for work related events we can only order vegetarian and vegan food. The management team has imposed this. It's to reduce our carbon footprint. I don't think that this means there is to be no carnivorous food available for the rest of the organisation but our department won't allow us to order any.

Reasonable or not?

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WalkingonWheels · 02/03/2024 02:03

DrCoconut · 01/03/2024 22:49

Although fruit and veg is naturally gluten free, most veggie/vegan buffet food is full of wheat and barley. To be fair a lot of meat stuff may be too. But it's simplistic to say everyone can eat the veggie options. I spent my young adult life restricted to jacket potato and tomato pasta when eating out as few places did veggie options and i really dislike meat to the point it makes me feel sick. I then got diagnosed with coeliac just as the big plant based food trend arrived, so back to bland and unexciting options in most cases (eating out that is).

Yup. I'm a coeliac and also can't tolerate fruit and veg. This would be impossible for me.

WalkingonWheels · 02/03/2024 02:01

I think it's really ableist. I'm a disabled person with numerous, serious bowel conditions and I have to eat a very strict low-residue diet, as my body cannot tolerate fibre. I can't even have some of the low residue foods, because they make me so ill. I'm also a coeliac.

Meat is one of the only foods I can eat that causes me less issues than anything else. I live on meat and rice, and now and again, plain potato. If they enforced this in my workplace, I'd have to go hungry (which also affects me).

WingsofRain · 02/03/2024 01:49

VeryQuaintIrene · 01/03/2024 13:46

My poor partner (vegan and actively allergic to all dairy) often has a dire time finding anything to eat at work events, so I say bring it on - it's more inclusive and no one will die of eating veg options of any kind for one meal.

Actually, it’s possible I would - I’m allergic to alliums and they seem to be in almost all vegetarian and vegan food (some people even put them in egg sandwiches).

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/03/2024 01:10

I don’t think ultra processed fake things are the answer though.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/03/2024 01:09

Sounds sensible to me. The days of meat being the default are numbered, I think.

ValerieVomit · 02/03/2024 01:02

Cosyblankets · 01/03/2024 21:51

Just so I'm clear....
Food that you're not paying for at an event that presumably you are paid to attend is not to your liking?
Are you being forced to eat it?
Are you being prevented from leaving or bringing your own?

@Cosyblankets@CarrotOfPeace I don't give a flying fig about it personally. I don't eat meat. I'm discussing it here as a generalisation. @ttcat37 I'm not complaining. Others are, "oh the woke brigade have taken over" and so forth.

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ElBandito · 01/03/2024 23:21

In the past most vegans have been people who are well versed in cooking and eating healthy food and it has largely been a market ignored by the processed food industry as it wasn't a large enough market to be profitable.

As more people decide to change to veganism so the big food manufacturers have pricked up their ears and started to make profitable UP food for this new market. It's not as healthy and is full of the type of trans fats etc that in the past vegans did their best to avoid.

ElBandito · 01/03/2024 23:12

@Thementalloadisreal
Vegan cheese is another one everyone gets worked up about, people behaving like cheddar is some kind of pure health food but a cheese spread made from almonds is poison.

Yes, for some it literally is.

cherish123 · 01/03/2024 22:57

If they are paying, not unreasonable

If you are paying, unreasonable

EBearhug · 01/03/2024 22:57

Ooh I wonder if posting on MN uses carbon

Of course it does. MN will use a lot of storage, which takes power to run in huge air conditioned datacentres. Servers running the databases will be in big datacentres. Every time you use the Internet, you're using networks that go through routers and other networking kit, again, mostly stored in big datacentres. Every bit of kit is using power, not to mention all the metals and plastic involved in creating that kit. You might use wireless within your house, but it still needs a router/modem, and once you leave thst, it will be copper or fibre cables. IT uses huge amounts of resources in materials, power and HVAC, and everyone of us here contributes to it.

aloris · 01/03/2024 22:56

As someone who has never been able to eat the company-supplied dinners, I am indifferent. I can't eat vegetarian food for medical reasons but I couldn't eat the previous offerings either. What I dislike is the obligation that an employee will eat their evening meal at a company event with no way to get a meal that the employee can eat. Having to carry around all my meals, on public transport with heavy ice packs, etc, and things that can be eaten cold, gets to be burdensome.

DrCoconut · 01/03/2024 22:49

Although fruit and veg is naturally gluten free, most veggie/vegan buffet food is full of wheat and barley. To be fair a lot of meat stuff may be too. But it's simplistic to say everyone can eat the veggie options. I spent my young adult life restricted to jacket potato and tomato pasta when eating out as few places did veggie options and i really dislike meat to the point it makes me feel sick. I then got diagnosed with coeliac just as the big plant based food trend arrived, so back to bland and unexciting options in most cases (eating out that is).

Trufflump · 01/03/2024 22:48

Ponoka7 · 01/03/2024 21:33

The cows were bred/raised in Scotland, so there was no importation, until local education authorities etc decided to go meat free, so then the beef had to be exported out. So then they imported the ingredients for what was offered instead. Seasonal home produced food is the way to go.

That’s not what previous poster said. The cows weren’t imported but their feed probably was. Do you think cows in Scotland live outside all year round and eat only grass? You’d not get much meat of them!

CarrotOfPeace · 01/03/2024 22:26

It's not hard to not eat meat for one event. Just get over it

Cosyblankets · 01/03/2024 21:51

Just so I'm clear....
Food that you're not paying for at an event that presumably you are paid to attend is not to your liking?
Are you being forced to eat it?
Are you being prevented from leaving or bringing your own?

EdithArtois · 01/03/2024 21:33

I went to a vegan catered conference. Loads of vegan cheese mayo and dairy. it made me really ill. My stomach was so bad so I now actually have say I can’t eat it and everyone assumes I am just being difficult. I had indigestion for about 3 days. All for vegan but proper vegan not crap ultra processed vegan.

Ponoka7 · 01/03/2024 21:33

ClaudiaWankleman · 01/03/2024 16:23

I'm sure it did lower the carbon footprint. Beef is incredibly CO2 intensive, and the extra carbon cost in transportation means non-meat products are still lower in carbon. As a start, all of that feed for the cow had to be imported into Scotland, so the starting point is almost the same.

The cows were bred/raised in Scotland, so there was no importation, until local education authorities etc decided to go meat free, so then the beef had to be exported out. So then they imported the ingredients for what was offered instead. Seasonal home produced food is the way to go.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 01/03/2024 21:28

I wouldn’t care unless they were stipulating you couldn’t buy your own meat based lunch. If they are paying for it, they can dictate. If I want to buy a ham sandwich I’d be pissed if they tried to stop me eating it.

MCOut · 01/03/2024 21:28

Most people, vegetarians and vegans, included don’t really like the over processed vegan options and so I’ve noticed that restaurants are gradually shifting away from the awful fake meats etc.

I also think that companies are going to stop the meat & vegan only options and start re-introducing vegetarian options because people complain. I know they are processed but I’m thinking of the cauldron sausages the other day, look how fast they had to bring the vegetarian ones back.

Maddy70 · 01/03/2024 21:25

Seems sensible. Reduced waste and costs

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 01/03/2024 21:24

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 01/03/2024 16:51

Why do people only seem bothered about UPF when it's vegan food?
You don't often see people complaining when a buffet is full of ham sandwiches, sausage rolls, pasties, etc.

I avoid UPF.

ttcat37 · 01/03/2024 21:18

dontcountonit · 01/03/2024 21:04

Are you really complaining about being hungry...?! There are starving children in Africa!

It is normal for people to be unhappy when their normal expected conditions change in a way that they do not like.

In my case, I'm unhappy about the gradual shift from 1) meat, veggie and vegan options to 2) meat or vegan only. It's happening at many places. Even when veggie and vegan remain the two options (as in the OP's case), it often soon changes to vegan only, because vegetarian people are assumed to eat vegan food and that's simpler/cheaper than to cater for two different similar-ish options.

It's embarrassing having to ask so many questions about vegan food, as it draws attention to my many complex allergies and makes me feel intensely vulnerable. It's not nice having to repeatedly tell strangers that things will kill you, wait for someone to find out if you can eat it, get an unclear answer, and get that answer after all the food has been eaten anyway, so it's then a moot point.

Perhaps free meals should be stopped then, and you can buy your own meal.

takemeawayagain · 01/03/2024 21:18

I have IBS and can't eat onion or garlic. Almost all processed vegan and vegetarian food has either onion or garlic or both in it to give it some flavour. I'd be pissed off.

Soreteatowel · 01/03/2024 21:09

I don't think I've ever seen these ultra processed meat substitute offered as part of a vegan buffet. I'm not vegetarian but when faced with a business spread, I go for the veg options ahead of all the processed ham, pastrami, sausage, bacon, cheese.

JackanorysStories · 01/03/2024 21:05

dontcountonit · 01/03/2024 20:56

My issue is about survival. When you start replacing all food with vegan food, the odds of the food being something that I can eat start to diminish rapidly It's never a choice of meat/veggie vs good vegan... It's a choice of meat/veggie vs ultra-processed crap vegan.

It's all coconut oil, cashew nuts, almonds... Nothing that I can actually identify myself from looking at the dish in front of me. Vegan food at mass-catered events fills me with dread.

Veggie food comes with cheese. Sometimes cheap cheese, but real cheese. It won't kill me.

Vegan food comes with cheese made from nuts or coconut. It's not just a crap alternative in terms of texture etc, it's a crap alternative in that I am allergic to it.

As for Tesco sandwiches, at least I can read the ingredients easily. Have you ever tried to find out what's in the food at a work event? It's impossible to find out with mass catering. You just get random unlabelled food circulating in front of you, and by the time someone has managed to ask the chef, the food has been eaten already by someone who doesn't have to think about what will kill them.

Mass-catered vegan food is the bane of my life.

I’ve worked i. The environmental sector for years so meat free has been commonplace at events for as long as I can recall. Vegan is normally vegetable pasties or falafel/hummus and veg wrap type things. Jackfruit on occasion. I’ve never seen fake meat or cheese, it’s too expensive and a lot of vegans don’t like it.
Sonin surprised at you having so many bad vegan options shoved in your face it’s become the bane of your life. Still, if the same thing happens to the OP they can have the vegetarian option instead.

The meat sandwiches you get at a function will be just as bad for you and as overly processed as the veggie and vegan. The meat and the bread and the sauce will be shit. Sorry, but I’m not buying this argument at all. If you have to avoid UPFs as a matter of health then you need to avoid the meat catered crap too because the stuff that goes into them (and yes, they’re the same as Tesco sandwiches) is all just shit if it comes from an shit company. So if the vegan offering is shit, the neat offering will be shit too. They don’t make nice meat and shit cheese in these things.

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