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Food orders for work related events are to be vegan and vegetarian only

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ValerieVomit · 01/03/2024 12:58

We all received an email at work to say that when we order catering in future for work related events we can only order vegetarian and vegan food. The management team has imposed this. It's to reduce our carbon footprint. I don't think that this means there is to be no carnivorous food available for the rest of the organisation but our department won't allow us to order any.

Reasonable or not?

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Dogdilemma2000 · 02/03/2024 09:10

AgentProvocateur · 01/03/2024 13:02

I think that’s fair enough. It’s more inclusive for people with dietary/religious restrictions. (And I say that as an atheist carnivore).

Not necessarily. Vegan diets can be much harder to navigate for people with food allergies to nuts/seeds or IBS/bowel disease type diets.

Sparrowsong · 02/03/2024 09:09

Sounds great to me, but then I am vegan!

AsTheyPulledYouOutOfTheOxygenTent · 02/03/2024 09:09

sashh · 02/03/2024 02:52

Yep.

I was going to say this. It would be much better to say everything should be sourced from within a certain radius, say 10 miles.

It also puts money in to your local community which is another positive.

And as others have mentioned some vegan / veg food isn't suitable for people who have to eat a certain way for health reasons.

Bollocks. Food shipped in from abroad can be pretty low in carbon, especially if it's shipped in unrefrigerated. Food miles are generally a very minor part of the carbon cost of any food unless it's actually flown in: literal air miles will always bugger up your carbon footprint.

What does the damage with meat is the cost of growing a food crop, processing it into animal food, transporting it to the animals, feeding them, keeping them alive, then slaughtering and transporting them. Unless you're feeding a backyard chicken with potato peelings it's a hugely inefficient process compared with growing a crop and feeding it to humans.
@Abbimae that's the answer to your question as well.

WalkingonWheels · 02/03/2024 09:09

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:19

This.
Standard sandwiches are hardly going to be full of wabu beef or organic venison. More likely they'll be ham injected with water, nitrates and additives or chicken from battery hens that have been pumped full of hormones.
Imagine making such a fuss about free food 🙄.
If you're that hyper sensitive and fussy and selfish, then bring your own food with you.

Good to know that disabled people and people with autoimmune conditions are hyper-sensitive, fussy and selfish.

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:53

sashh · 02/03/2024 08:43

Battery cages were banned in the UK in 2012 and were used for laying hens not chickens raised for meat.

Growth hormones have also been banned for ages.

Sorry, 'battery' was a bit of a catch-all for low-welfare. That said, battery cages for laying hens were replaced by colony cages which are not much better.

Abbimae · 02/03/2024 08:51

Exactly how does it reduce carbon footprint?

CarrotOfPeace · 02/03/2024 08:46

MassageForLife · 02/03/2024 07:25

Let me get this right.

You are only ok with vegan and vegetarian food at a buffet if it hasn't got soya in it, because of food miles.

But you would be ok with beef at the buffet that has probably eaten way more soya than would be at a veggie/vegan buffet?

I must be misunderstanding something, because I can't get this to make sense.

No I agree with the premise of making buffets vegan and vegetarian for the environment but also think they have to take into consideration the environmental impact of the vegan and vegetarian food if that is their argument. Either go the whole plant-based hog and look at the environmental impact of the WHOLE thing or don't restrict it at all

sashh · 02/03/2024 08:43

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:19

This.
Standard sandwiches are hardly going to be full of wabu beef or organic venison. More likely they'll be ham injected with water, nitrates and additives or chicken from battery hens that have been pumped full of hormones.
Imagine making such a fuss about free food 🙄.
If you're that hyper sensitive and fussy and selfish, then bring your own food with you.

Battery cages were banned in the UK in 2012 and were used for laying hens not chickens raised for meat.

Growth hormones have also been banned for ages.

5128gap · 02/03/2024 08:41

I know it grinds some people's gears, but veganism under law is not 'a choice' but a protected belief system. As valid as religious dietary restrictions. If a company wants to make sure they are not accused of discrimination, keep costs down and catering simple, they are very wise to ensure people who's dietary requirements are part of a protected characteristic are prioritised. And that's not the people who prefer ham sandwiches.

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:39

CormorantStrikesBack · 02/03/2024 08:28

I genuinely won’t eat at a work Buffett because it’s always so cheap. Regardless of being vegetarian or not. The thought of a gristly cheap ham sandwich on cheap white bread makes me want to vomit. I’ve worked for a few different organisations and can’t say I’ve ever had a decent buffet yet. Maybe I need better employers 😁

Same, in the main - or at least I might eat some of it but it's usually not very nice.

It's so weird that posters here are acting as if their human rights are being violated because they mightn't have the option of consuming the typical catering fare of processed bread with 'butter' spread and cheap ham. I've worked in catering and see what goes into those kind of sandwiches.

Oh the humanity of being denied:

Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Water, Sugar, Soybean Oil, Yeast, Whey, Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Propionate, Sorbic Acid, Monoglycerides, Malted Barley Flour, Soy Lecithin

spread with

Palm oil, Palm Kernel Oil, Soybean Oil, Water, Buttermilk, Salt, Potassium Sorbate, Soy Lecithin, and Mono and Diglycerides, Lactic Acid, Vitamin A Palmitate, beta-Carotene

and filled with

Pig meat, Water, Salt, Potassium Lactate, Dextrose, Modified Potato Starch, Dehydrated Pork Stock, Sodium Phosphates, Sodium Erythorbate, Sodium Nitrite

yummy....

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:28

SoupDragon · 02/03/2024 08:27

What I find amusing about this argument is that there have been threads with vegetarians complaining about all vegetarian options becoming vegan but then there are threads like this with meat eaters complaining about everything becoming vegetarian/vegan and that's no problem at all and they should just "suck it up".

No food is innately 'vegetarian' - it just doesn't have meat in it.

CormorantStrikesBack · 02/03/2024 08:28

I genuinely won’t eat at a work Buffett because it’s always so cheap. Regardless of being vegetarian or not. The thought of a gristly cheap ham sandwich on cheap white bread makes me want to vomit. I’ve worked for a few different organisations and can’t say I’ve ever had a decent buffet yet. Maybe I need better employers 😁

SoupDragon · 02/03/2024 08:27

What I find amusing about this argument is that there have been threads with vegetarians complaining about all vegetarian options becoming vegan but then there are threads like this with meat eaters complaining about everything becoming vegetarian/vegan and that's no problem at all and they should just "suck it up".

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:24

dontcountonit · 01/03/2024 20:38

"One meal isn’t going to kill anyone."

You say that, but...

I often cannot eat vegan dishes as they will kill me. I like good vegan food, but lazy vegan food often is made with things I'm allergic to in it. I'm vegetarian, so it's not as if I have meat cravings, but the ultra-processed vegan crap will land me in hospital.

If vegan is used to mean more fresh vegetables and pulses, sure. Love it. If it means ultra-processed fake meat and fake cheese, it's not snobbery, I actually can't do it.

If a vegan dish will literally kill you, presumably you just bring your own food anyway? What's in processed vegan food that you're so sure is never in meat-based food?

springbrigid · 02/03/2024 08:19

justaboutdonenow · 02/03/2024 08:05

LMAO at the people on here hand wringing at the thought of vegan & vegetarian UPFs, as if the meat equivalents aren't just as unhealthy & full of additives.

This.
Standard sandwiches are hardly going to be full of wabu beef or organic venison. More likely they'll be ham injected with water, nitrates and additives or chicken from battery hens that have been pumped full of hormones.
Imagine making such a fuss about free food 🙄.
If you're that hyper sensitive and fussy and selfish, then bring your own food with you.

SchoolDramas · 02/03/2024 08:14

dontcountonit · 01/03/2024 21:04

Are you really complaining about being hungry...?! There are starving children in Africa!

It is normal for people to be unhappy when their normal expected conditions change in a way that they do not like.

In my case, I'm unhappy about the gradual shift from 1) meat, veggie and vegan options to 2) meat or vegan only. It's happening at many places. Even when veggie and vegan remain the two options (as in the OP's case), it often soon changes to vegan only, because vegetarian people are assumed to eat vegan food and that's simpler/cheaper than to cater for two different similar-ish options.

It's embarrassing having to ask so many questions about vegan food, as it draws attention to my many complex allergies and makes me feel intensely vulnerable. It's not nice having to repeatedly tell strangers that things will kill you, wait for someone to find out if you can eat it, get an unclear answer, and get that answer after all the food has been eaten anyway, so it's then a moot point.

If you have life threatening allergies surely you have to question all food you eat anyway, whatever style of food you're eating? You could equally find the food you're allergic to in meat or vegetarian food? Or it may be less prevalent, but if you have life threatening allergies I'm assuming you still ask? So what's the difference in specifying allergies at a veggie/vegan catered event vs a meat event?

justaboutdonenow · 02/03/2024 08:05

LMAO at the people on here hand wringing at the thought of vegan & vegetarian UPFs, as if the meat equivalents aren't just as unhealthy & full of additives.

Simonjt · 02/03/2024 08:01

takemeawayagain · 01/03/2024 21:18

I have IBS and can't eat onion or garlic. Almost all processed vegan and vegetarian food has either onion or garlic or both in it to give it some flavour. I'd be pissed off.

Almost all processed savoury food containing meat will have it in as well.

MassageForLife · 02/03/2024 07:25

CarrotOfPeace · 01/03/2024 19:13

Yes I know that I'm not thick

Let me get this right.

You are only ok with vegan and vegetarian food at a buffet if it hasn't got soya in it, because of food miles.

But you would be ok with beef at the buffet that has probably eaten way more soya than would be at a veggie/vegan buffet?

I must be misunderstanding something, because I can't get this to make sense.

MassageForLife · 02/03/2024 07:07

"Vegan and veggie foods can do plenty of harm to the environment and to people too - mono cropping, highly processed stuff, air/sea miles, slavery used to farm the crops. There's probably more that I just can't think of too!"

So, these vegan and veggie issues with monocropping, air miles (which has already been addressed on this thread several times), slavery and uhp food - I take it that these are only issues for people that don't eat meat? The people that eat meat don't eat ANY of that stuff? And no monocropping, air miles or slavery happens when growing food for livestock?

Because clearly, if any of that happened your argument would lose pretty much any potency.

garlictwist · 02/03/2024 03:53

I'd be pissed off of it were only vegan but could deal with vegetarian.

sashh · 02/03/2024 02:52

Geebray · 01/03/2024 13:04

Well presumably you are only allowed foodstuffs grown in the UK? To reduce your carbon footprint?

You can't say "no meat cos carbon" and then allow avocadoes, pineapples, oranges, olive oil, peppers, etc...

Yep.

I was going to say this. It would be much better to say everything should be sourced from within a certain radius, say 10 miles.

It also puts money in to your local community which is another positive.

And as others have mentioned some vegan / veg food isn't suitable for people who have to eat a certain way for health reasons.

Mouse82 · 02/03/2024 02:38

Moltenpink · 01/03/2024 13:04

I’d be quite proud of my company if they did that

Same, ours was always dominos pizza which work knew I couldn't eat.

ClaudiaWankleman · 02/03/2024 02:20

Ponoka7 · 01/03/2024 21:33

The cows were bred/raised in Scotland, so there was no importation, until local education authorities etc decided to go meat free, so then the beef had to be exported out. So then they imported the ingredients for what was offered instead. Seasonal home produced food is the way to go.

Reread what I said and try again.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 02/03/2024 02:16

You're never going to please everyone all the time though.
How do you think vegetarians, vegans, people who are allergic to egg and milk cope at the usual bog standard beige buffet full of sausage rolls, pizza and ham sandwiches?!
Loads haven't given a fig or noticed, or cared, for years. Now meat eaters are possibly impacted in not having choices, people are up in arms.

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