Food orders for work related events are to be vegan and vegetarian only

My sheep prices go up year on year. If no one wanted to eat lamb then I couldn’t sell.
I looked up the Knepp estate again. They sell 35 tons of meat a year. I’ve no idea how this fits in with the premise of the thread. I knew this conversation would not be taking place on French or Spanish fora. It’s a white middle class English discussion.

I don't actually know but I'll ask in case that's not been explored. It's only recently that their BMI has dropped to below 18 so maybe they've not been offered them yet.

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The main reason Knepp turned to rewilding was that most years they were struggling to turn a profit from farming wheat- even as a large, wealthy estate with money to invest in machinery and agrochemicals.

Upland sheep are an unmitigated disaster for the moors. Ground nesting birds are in utter crisis anyway. The high moors of Dartmoor are actually pretty devoid of bird life and biodiversity- the "molinia desert" they call it, due to the invasive grass molinia. Sheep are not native to the UK, and their grazing patterns are very destructive to the native flora. There is definitely a case for limited cattle and pony grazing, creating a mosaic of woodland, scrub and grassland- and for pigs, too. But both the economic and ecological future for upland sheep farmers looks pretty bleak, tbh, even though no one wants to say it out loud. I think the best they can hope for is a decent subsidy system for land stewardship.

Because we all know they probably won't. Most will be imported this time of the year especially. Even the chickpeas for the hummus will come from India.

UPF foods don't generally have a low carbon/environmental footprint either.

I'm sorry to hear that - it's horrible to think that others suffer so much too. Strangely, I'm overweight! I barely eat, but I also can't move around at all, so I'm assuming it's a combination of that and meds. Are they able to have the shakes from the GP? I can't tolerate those either 😁

Much sympathy from me, your restrictions sound a lot like my relative's. They're currently awaiting a(nother) dietician referral because they're struggling to get enough calories and are underweight.

Mine did this for a team lunch so I went to pret. They can but what they want but I’ll enjoy an hour out of the office.

Absolutely agree. Rewilding means different things to different people but I meant the Knepp model. Absolutely incorporates regenerative agriculture and large herbivores. But NOT monocultures of grass with single species flocks.

Knepp doesn’t have poor soil. They are mainly an arable farm. Guardian inspired tripe

Anyway. If someone is going for an environmentally low impact buffet they can research what they want to serve. Meat. Non meat. I don't care. I don't eat meat anyway.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/avocado-industry-history-cartels-millennials-nigella/

Two have the same CO2 footprint as 1 kg of bananas

As much as you can "rewild" hill farms, you will then wipe out ground nesting birds who rely on nesting in grasslands. Grasslands are an important ecological area and they have to be carefully managed with grazing animals (which we then eat the surplus of). If we weren't to do that, we would then need to reintroduce wolves, bears, etc to stop the overpopulation of deer. We would also need other types of wild herbivores such as cattle too.

Google it - avocado drug cartels

Citation required please? (For UK consumers) I'm not an avocado apologist - if this is true, it is interesting. But earlier you were implying that it was carbon costs of these foods that were the issue when this is very simply not true.

Most fruit and veg is shipped unrefridgerated. Oranges from Spain, bananas from the Carribean, apples from NZ.... only stuff you find in the fridge section at the supermarket is airflow and to be avoided like the plague.

If we don't need sheep on hill farms, we can rewild (and pay farmers to do this - although as Knepp Estate found, rewilding was actually a lot more lucrative than farming poor soil). If we ate a tiny fraction of the neat we ate, we need a much smaller proportion of land for farming. This is not controversial except amongst those who REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE DATA.

Personally, I'd like to see spit roast hogget with a vegan buffet.
No dairy; because dairy is the most common and most lethal food allergy in the UK.

The UK import avocados from Peru, South Africa, Chile, Israel and Spain (in that order).
But if you read US stuff, you would believe that most avocados come from Mexico.

Sounds very tough indeed. The privilege oozing from some of the posters telling us this policy is oh so inclusive has been nauseating. Maybe it'll stop now.

My own food intolerance is pretty minor and easily managed, and I'm fine with veggie food to the extent that I've voluntarily eaten at vegetarian restaurants before. So this isn't about me. But it should be bleeding obvious that removing any commonly eaten type of food is going to be an issue for some people who through no fault of their own must have very restricted diets.

Ethical veganism has been held by ET to be a protected belief in the workplace. A sensible employer who wishes to avoid discriminating will ensure vegans are not placed at detriment by being unable to participate in work events and benefit from hospitality.

Has the business had one of these buffets yet? I’d think the best test is the food actually eaten or not.

Nobody except you has made any comment on your intelligence level.

What do you suggest sheep farmers on the hills around the country plant instead of grazing their sheep?

Also what are you going to ship unrefrigerated? Rice and grain maybe but not fruit or vegetables.

Sorry this is incorrect - in some very very specific circumstances it is protected but not generically!

Ok, just looked. Co2 emissions for beef are 10x that of avocados, and 25x that for soya.

So for ever 100kg of emissions for beef, it's 10kg for avocados, and only 4kg for soya.

That's a massive reduction. And given that they are the ones trumpeted as bad for the environment, I think that's pretty good! Most vegans eat plenty of other produce with lower carbon footprints too.

Maybe we should suggest that they have locally shot venison for the lunches. There are too many deer in the country (due to the lack of natural predators), are free for all their life (so not battery farmed) and don't go through the abattoir (so don't have a distressing death). They must have a lowest carbon footprint as it's not like people measure the carbon footprint of wild animals.