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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

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Anele22 · 28/02/2024 18:02

I absolutely disagree with the posters saying that if you accept the house you have to accept her comments. You do not! Tell her to pack it in. You're the parents and you'll do what you see fit. If she then decides to stop with the gifts - so be it. She's shown her true colours, and that the gifts were conditional. I'd call her bluff. Unless she says it's conditional I'd assume the gifts were completely unrelated to her interfering in your parenting.

Lots of people live on family money. Doesn't mean they can't run their homes in the way they want.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 18:02

BudgetFoodie · 28/02/2024 17:48

Stop being such a doormat............people treat you how you allow them to!

If you don't want to go on holiday then don't go.

Your DH isn't going to change anytime soon, he is a total mummy's boy.

Exactly that and I've said, mummy boy.
So OP has to decide to put up with it to stay - get them to change which is almost impossible or go.

I've seen mummys boys, quiet a few of them from my background. Nothing wrong with beig a mummy boy as log as the boy remembers they are married/etc and have children ad first priority in moments where the boys OH is hurt by MiL, mummys boy needed to be diplomatic and tell mummy she is wrong, does not have to have an audience when this happens.

Compared to some of the MiLs I've seen, this one seems ok and more so by the fact she gave them a house to live in

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 17:57

sprigatito · 28/02/2024 14:38

Wtf?! No, financial gifts absolutely don't buy someone a stake in your decision-making or the right to make intrusive, insulting remarks that undermine you as parents. Your DH needs to talk to her and get some clear boundaries in place. If she won't accept that she needs to be respectful, then I would be having considerably less contact with her.

WTF??? OP has a choice and if that was me, I'd put up with it and some won't. So the OP can decide if to accept or leave. Ideally a change in MiL behaviour but son knows which side his breads are buttered on

Historygirl91 · 28/02/2024 17:56

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:43

@Haydenn yeah I go on the holidays but because my DH wants to. He knows I don't enjoy them. Why would I enjoy being told every day that I'm making my daughters miss hours of sunshine because we woke up at 8 and didn't get to the beach till 9 (compared to my perfect MIL who's been on the beach since 7:30)? Why would i enjoy being told that my daughters shouldn't be wearing any swimsuit rather than wear the UPF 50+ I've put them in, which will inevitably cause skin irritation (it never has...)? Why would I enjoy her telling my husband to sit in a separate part from me all day (there's a kids bit and no-kids bit of the beach) so that he "can have a peaceful holiday" whilst I manage a toddler and a baby all day?

You’re being too passive, just don’t go on the holidays. It doesn’t sound enjoyable. Going because your DH wants you to isn’t a good enough reason if it’s winding you up so much. Find your voice and be a positive role model for your girls.

Shetlands · 28/02/2024 17:56

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:40

Let them take the kids

He can't sit in the adults only bit then, can he?

You are more in control of this than you think

If the OP did that, I suspect the MiL would just hire a nanny.

The only solution is to stand up to her - she might even respect you more if you did. Do it in adult way, no tears or shouting - just be assertive and polite.

You already have a house of your own and some investments so you have nothing to fear from her financial power.

Cherrysoup · 28/02/2024 17:55

Why you not refuse to go on holiday with her? Are you not allowed to go just you, DH and dds? Does he not defend you against her constantly commenting? It sounds exhausting, I’d go nuts at him for not telling her to shut up.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/02/2024 17:55

Shetlands · 28/02/2024 14:33

If you don't want the comments and your husband won't say anything then you'll have to. Tell her you know she means well but you find her constant criticisms emotionally exhausting and they're wearing down your self esteem. Tell her you'd find it easier to accept her 'advice' if she also made positive comments about your mothering but it's too skewed towards the negative.

You have nothing to lose because you don't want or need her gifts so she can't bribe you even if that works with your DH.

Excellent advice.
She sounds exactly like Lady Catherine De Burgh!! In the novel, she was the powerful person who pontificated to all and sundry, but gradually everyone gets fed up and starts doing what they like.

You are in a difficult situation. But that doesn't mean you can't stand up to her. Unfortunately, your DH won't so you have to be the bad guy.
Firstly. Have confidence in your parenting. Make sure your DH understands this.
Make sure he understands you don't have to follow every silly order. She has had her time to be the parent. Its your turn now and you will never get this time back.
eg when she complained about taking your DC to Young V &A Your DH did stand up to her.. but wilted again when she insisted on the playground. You need to stand up to her, each and every time (unless it is actually a sensible recommendation) and say "Oh yes, Fresh Air is wonderful" (I am going to do exactly what I want)

Unfortunately, you have to be a bit strategic dealing with folk like this.
Don't volunteer so much information about your daily lives. She doesn't need to know the precise details. Plan ahead for things so you know what you are doing. Buy time by saying I'll get back to you. Nix the holidays, that is too long a chunk of quality time in your own unit. Get your own financial/legal advice or research it so you can make your own decisions and are fully informed and confident that YOU made the right choices, then close down discussions about it.

Stand up to the shitty comments like the ones about the names. YOu can still be polite and civil when you do this. What's the worst she can do if you challenge her over shitty comments like that? Insist that it wasn't shitty?

When the DC start school, start reclaiming your career and independence.

saraclara · 28/02/2024 17:50

None of what she says is important or worth dwelling on. Why are you letting it get to you?

Yep. Putting away the whole money thing, the comments you've given as examples are irritating (the museum thing, the beach thing, the sofa thing) or rude (the name thing) but really, in the scheme of things, comments that that you should very easily be able to grey rock or fight back on.

BudgetFoodie · 28/02/2024 17:48

Stop being such a doormat............people treat you how you allow them to!

If you don't want to go on holiday then don't go.

Your DH isn't going to change anytime soon, he is a total mummy's boy.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 28/02/2024 17:47

I'm not sure the money is a huge factor in this at all. Money or no money, she comments are annoying but they certainly don't appear toxic or belittling. She just appears to be someone with an opinion on everything and believes her way is the right way.

If it were me, I would just let it in one ear snd out the other. Thanks for the suggestions, yes we balance indoor/outdoor time, it balances out over the week. Yes, we stuck to her like glue when she started climbing first but she does it frequently and she's fine etc. We might do that next time, we'll be outdoors a lot tomorrow etc.

Pity about Arina, I think it's a lovely name but if your husband didn't agree, that's a seperate issue.

None of what she says is important or worth dwelling on. Why are you letting it get to you?

Howmanycatsistoomany · 28/02/2024 17:46

For starters, get yourself back in the workplace. Pay your own way and stop expecting your MIL to support your life choices. Say 'no thank you MIL' to future holidays. I'd also urge you to think long and hard about whether you want to stay married to such a pathetic manchild!

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:40

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:43

@Haydenn yeah I go on the holidays but because my DH wants to. He knows I don't enjoy them. Why would I enjoy being told every day that I'm making my daughters miss hours of sunshine because we woke up at 8 and didn't get to the beach till 9 (compared to my perfect MIL who's been on the beach since 7:30)? Why would i enjoy being told that my daughters shouldn't be wearing any swimsuit rather than wear the UPF 50+ I've put them in, which will inevitably cause skin irritation (it never has...)? Why would I enjoy her telling my husband to sit in a separate part from me all day (there's a kids bit and no-kids bit of the beach) so that he "can have a peaceful holiday" whilst I manage a toddler and a baby all day?

Let them take the kids

He can't sit in the adults only bit then, can he?

You are more in control of this than you think

ohdamnitjanet · 28/02/2024 17:38

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:25

@MrsTerryPratchett I know that even if I get a job, the gifts won't stop so she will still be bribing DH. Ie he will still be getting expensive cars as gifts, the comments will continue. I know this because it was this way before we had kids and whilst I worked

But you will have your own money to save seeing as you don’t own any property.

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2024 17:38

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:34

@MrsTerryPratchett thing is, if her suggestions were benign I wouldn't have an issue with them.

A trip to the park is lovely but so is taking my daughters to a museum if they're enjoying it. One isn't better than the other.

My grandmas name is my grandmas name. To me it's one of my favourite names because I associate it with one of my favourite people in the world.

Your husband will always put his mother and the money first and second. If he puts your children next, that leaves you fourth,

You happy with that?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 28/02/2024 17:36

Yes but YOU don't have to go on these holidays, OP, I wouldn't if they made me as miserable as they make you.

Yes, your husband will never stop accepting gifts, he's a mummy's boy with his hand out. What are you? An independent woman or just as grasping and willing to take anything as long as you get 'paid' for it?

I completely agree with the posters who recommend financial independence for you, there's nothing like it. Be independent, get yourself a job and you need not listen to these comments. Let your milksop husband field them all. You have your own property, with a job you could be really teaching your children the value of financial independence and that is priceless.

Allfur · 28/02/2024 17:34

FortunataTagnips · 28/02/2024 16:05

LOL. Classic Mumsnet.

Lol, London has a great public transport system.

Starspangledrodeopony · 28/02/2024 17:32

Wait, does he work @danialan?

Starspangledrodeopony · 28/02/2024 17:30

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:29

To everything saying "don't accept anything from her". My husband does and will 100% continue to. There's no way I can get him to stop.
But I don't want to have the comments.

Well, he sounded a drip anyway, but he’s gone down in my estimation yet further. He likes mummy buying him lovely toys, and will put up with her intrusion to get all his presents. Pathetic.

coldcallerbaiter · 28/02/2024 17:29

The comments mentioned are not that bad, she probably cares but cannot watch her mouth, pretty common, she should not make the comments, they are her personal opinion. I mean if you did a poll on MN regarding your child’s name sounding like a stadium in the UK, many would say it does. So what if mil thinks that?

Just tell her straight, we will come to the beach when it suits us etc . What’s the worst that will happen? If she doesn’t stop, so what. You have a nice life paid for by her. Plenty of ppl get mil comments with diddly squat in return.

coldcallerbaiter · 28/02/2024 17:14

Just tell her to quit with too many comments or scolds, keep doing it.
You will not lose out, as the gifts will keep coming. That benefits you so why not.

MILs should be more careful. A dil is not your daughter. You will accept a completely plain speaking relationship with your own mother.

Est1990 · 28/02/2024 17:13

I mean with all those freebies (house,cars,holidays and the opportunity to be a SAHM with your own home and savings) can you just not smile and agree and move on?!

I would be agreeing with her and say she is right, while continuing with my life😅

DelightSquish · 28/02/2024 17:08

I never had any financial support from PIL however, they did make a few comments about our decisions over things (pre-children) which suggested we were young and naive (late 20s, married, home owners, good jobs) and I did say to MIL when you were my age you had 2 children to remind her of where she was in her life compared to ours. I am sure she would be pissed if someone suggested she was young and naive. I innocently asked if her MIL was involved with her decision making knowing full well she wasn't.

I think learning to either agree with everything she says or grey rock her because she is never not going to criticise you. It is just who she is. My Grandmother was like this and my Mum found the easiest way was just agree but do her own thing. It took the wind out of her sail every time she tried to belittle my Mum. It is how you deal with a narcissist.

MikeRafone · 28/02/2024 17:08

Just say

oh gosh do you think so?
oh my really it’s so good of you to let us know
oh gee thanks for telling me

then carry on doing what you’re doing, keep doing it your way.

you’ve acknowledged what she said, you’ve not disagreed and then done parenting your own way

it will frustrate the hell out of her

Iamnotawinp · 28/02/2024 17:07

I think the problem comes down to the relationship between your husband and his mother.

In an ideal world as we grow we separate physically and emotionally from our care givers. Ideally we should reach that stage when we are adults. We should be able to decide to do or say something, and there is no hidden voice inside us that says ‘would mum/dad get cross, disapprove?”

Some types of parenting can make it very, very difficult for the sons or daughters of these parents to reach this stage, and in fact some never do.

I wonder if your DH is still stuck in thrall to his mother. He probably doesn’t want to be, maybe he doesn’t even recognise that he is. But if he finds it difficult to find his voice with her, to go against her wishes and feelings, then this may be the problem. It doesn’t mean he can’t be an adult with others, he’s just stuck in this dynamic of not wanting to ‘disappoint’ his mother.

I think all the conditions are there. An opinionated/strong minded mother, the youngest son, and then a lot of money.

Perhaps try and reframe it as not you against them, but you and him against her. Perhaps you could see it as your job to support him to get out from under her thumb?

Ive read somewhere that marriage counselling can be used to keep a good marriage on course. It’s not just there for when the marriage is on its last legs.

StaunchMomma · 28/02/2024 17:06

It does sound like you've taken/continue to take quite a lot of financial help from her, OP.

Maybe you could try and see her annoying behaviour as your job, because if it wasn't for her you might have to go and get one and not get to be at home with LO's.

Of course everyone wants to be respected by their MIL, and for their DH to speak up for them, but, well, most of our MILs didn't literally put the roof over our heads!