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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

OP posts:
Crumblespiesetc · 29/02/2024 11:47

I think people are over complicating things with the financial matters, pre nup etc.
Loads of PILs act like this, with or without money, gifts etc! It seems you just mentioned those in a 'should I just shut up and be grateful' way?

It is possible to minimise the impact of her constant badgering, but you have to believe on a deep level that her judgment is meaningless to you. It is really not about you, or anyone else. She sounds like she feels very small inside and needs to be the best in every situation. There are techniques you can learn, but the greatest peace will come when her words lose their power over you.

Watching your husband pander to her might be harder to get over, and is trickier to deal with. It's normal that you want his support. I guess you could try and unpick what he fears would happen if he supported you instead of his mum?

Also, perhaps you don't have to go on the holidays! She will never be content with you, so you may as well actually displease her by doing what you want I.e. not going.

BoohooWoohoo · 29/02/2024 11:43

Your MIL treats you and your h like children because you take her financial support like you are children.
She’s very annoying but for a free house and other threats, I’d be sucking it up.

Anele22 · 29/02/2024 11:35

luckylavender · 29/02/2024 10:58

You can't really have both

Yes, she can!
why are so many people on this thread telling the OP to put up or shut up?

FallingStar21 · 29/02/2024 11:34

danialan · 28/02/2024 22:00

@Codlingmoths yeah sort of. He will leave most of his stuff in the kids' part but will go over to his mum's "to help her out" ie bring towels etc, and that leads into a 1-2hr conversation. Then he will be back for a short while, usually just enough for a quick swim with the kids and checking some emails, then his mum wants a cocktail and needs his company because surely she can't drink alone so back he goes for another few hours. By that point we've had lunch with the kids because they got hungry and he was busy "helping" mum with something or just mid conversation, so he has to join his mum for lunch etc. If I ask about it he just says that he can't leave her without company, and im not eating lunch alone as ive got the children (toddlers)

Sorry OP but from this holiday example your DH sounds like a pretty shitty dad and husband. Barely spending anh time with his kids and not concerned you might need a break or adult company. Sounds like MIL also doesn't care about doing much eith her grandkids.
You need to just say to your DH that these "holidays" are not holidays at all, just hard work running after the kids and being essentially abandoned by him. Tell him next time he can either go alone or with the girls - but that you are not joining.

PansyOatZebra · 29/02/2024 11:29

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 14:19

What more do you want?

If someone gifted us a house - trust me, I put up with a lot, lot and lot more than that

This. I’d have not taken the financial help tbh. By taking all the gifts and financial support it’ll be harder to cut them out.

FallingStar21 · 29/02/2024 11:24

Bluevelvetsofa · 28/02/2024 15:07

Your husband has everything he could want or need. You have everything you could want or need, with the addition of a mother in law who has bought you and therefore feels she has the right to dictate how you live, what you do and how you bring up your children.

You can choose to suck it up and keep the material benefits or you can choose to live in the house you bought with your inheritance and live on the remainder of that inheritance or get a job.

You aren’t going to change your MiL and you aren’t going to change your husband. Why would they change? They have everything they want.

Exactly, the OP has lots of choices, instead she comes here crying wolf.
If it's such a problem, tell your DH to either cut the Strings off mummy's apron or you'll be walking away.
You have your own bloody house + inheritance, you are able to get a job and book a nursery for your kids... Sorted.
Really comes down to what's important to you. Your DH obviously only cares about the $$$$ signs mummy can give. He has a wife and children but would rather live like a child still!

Daffodilsandtuplips · 29/02/2024 11:21

Tell her to shut up, you don’t want to hear it. Or just stop listening, change the subject, leave the room, Answer any negatives comments with “That doesn’t work for us”. Really! you think hours in the sun without skin protection is a good idea?“
DD loved the museum, she was very enthusiastic about it, she learned such a lot. More tea MIL?
The comments about the child’s name would have been met with “That’s rude and uncalled for”
She’s too involved because you’re allowing it. Be less available, tell her less, she doesn’t need to know your itinerary.
Don’t let DH hide behind a book and his mother’s skirts on holiday, the kids have two parents, make sure he spends as much time with them as you do. Be assertive.

Somepeoplearesnippy · 29/02/2024 11:12

@danialan You say 'But I don't want to have the comments.'

Sadly you can't do anything about them. You can't control her or what comes out of her mouth. Nor can you control your husband's reaction to her comments. All you can control is you.

instead of stressing about how to change her or your DH, start thinking about you. Why does the opinion of someone who doesn't even live with you matter so much to you? Why do you care that her parenting style is different to you? Has it occurred to you that your DH might actually agree with some of the things she says and that's why he follows through on some of her suggestions?

It seems to me that you and your MIL are both used to getting your own way and both find it difficult when other people disagree with them.

And as PP have said - pre-nups are not legally binding in the U.K. Once you are legally married the marriage contract makes any previous contracts null and void. A court may take them into account as a statement of intent but they aren't legally binding. Not that it's particularly relevant as you don't seem to be thinking of separating.

luckylavender · 29/02/2024 10:58

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

You can't really have both

Notjustabrunette · 29/02/2024 10:53

You what, you don’t have yo go on a holiday you don’t enjoy. Don’t go. Your husband is free to go if he wants to, and take the kids. You can enjoy some ‘me’ time.

moonbeammagic · 29/02/2024 10:45

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:29

To everything saying "don't accept anything from her". My husband does and will 100% continue to. There's no way I can get him to stop.
But I don't want to have the comments.

Then you have a husband problem, not a MIL problem. You have a house that you own outright and inheritance money - your husband works. You could live a comfortable life without the handouts from his mother. If that is more important to him than your happiness and being independent, your husband is the problem.

GanninHyem · 29/02/2024 10:40

I'm going against the grain. Gifts even as big as houses shouldn't come with the caveat of "I will be a prick to you as much as I like". Is there a sliding scale? If I give a friend a £1000 handbag for Xmas can I call her a cunt for a month?

Your husband sounds like a fucking drip tho. He's more interested in lavish gifts than sticking up for his wife and removing himself from his mother's teat. Ick.

OssieShowman · 29/02/2024 10:34

You have a DH problem

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 29/02/2024 10:19

FranticHare · 28/02/2024 14:27

You seem happy enough to live off her handouts.

Therefore your put up with her.

Or become independent.

Your choice!

This pretty much sums it up.
You even worded it as 'she gifts us nice things' when actually you appear to live mortgage free in a house she gifted you to live in. A nice handbag is a nice thing to be gifted. Giving a house a little more than that I'd say.

InterIgnis · 29/02/2024 10:16

SouperWoman · 29/02/2024 09:58

Don’t want to derail but have to say that I wouldn’t trust any uk law firm that used the word ‘gotten’ to write anything that is binding in a British court. 😬

@danialan so many PPs have said it… you have a DH problem. So you need to decide how you want to live. You can tolerate the snipes, comments, overstepping and self-indulgence of your MiL in return for a quiet life with your DH. Or you can tell your DH you won’t tolerate it: stop going on the holidays, walk out of MiL’s house if she annoys you, tell her that you will ask for her opinion if you want it. If you don’t care about the gifts, you have nothing to lose, and you might get your husband back. And if he going to continue to choose his mummy over his wife, you are better off knowing asap.

Edited

Someone, who may be American, using an American English term, that has increasingly been adopted by speakers of British English, does not mean that the information given is incorrect.

Solicitors are governed by strict professional standards, and they’re not going to leave themselves open to litigation and/or ruin their careers and reputations by providing false information. Well, some will, but not ones accredited with Lexcel.

silverbubbles · 29/02/2024 10:02

Enjoy the handouts and let her have her say - learn some techniques to stop it bothering you. Just learn to smile and nod.

SouperWoman · 29/02/2024 09:58

InterIgnis · 28/02/2024 23:25

Because in order for a prenup to be recognized it needs to be done by a solicitor, and a solicitor will make sure it meets the necessary criteria to resist any challenges to it. That isn’t to say it’s bulletproof, but it does mean it is likely to be upheld.

“In the UK, a prenup is not legally binding and there are various caveats. However, UK courts do typically recognise and uphold prenuptial agreements, as long as they meet the qualifying criteria and are fair in all circumstances. It is also possible to get a prenup after you have gotten married, which is call a “postnuptial agreement” and follows the same rules.”

https://www.johnfowlers.co.uk/latest-news/are-prenups-legally-binding-in-the-uk

Don’t want to derail but have to say that I wouldn’t trust any uk law firm that used the word ‘gotten’ to write anything that is binding in a British court. 😬

@danialan so many PPs have said it… you have a DH problem. So you need to decide how you want to live. You can tolerate the snipes, comments, overstepping and self-indulgence of your MiL in return for a quiet life with your DH. Or you can tell your DH you won’t tolerate it: stop going on the holidays, walk out of MiL’s house if she annoys you, tell her that you will ask for her opinion if you want it. If you don’t care about the gifts, you have nothing to lose, and you might get your husband back. And if he going to continue to choose his mummy over his wife, you are better off knowing asap.

WaftherAngelsthroughtheskies · 29/02/2024 09:55

Shetlands · 28/02/2024 14:33

If you don't want the comments and your husband won't say anything then you'll have to. Tell her you know she means well but you find her constant criticisms emotionally exhausting and they're wearing down your self esteem. Tell her you'd find it easier to accept her 'advice' if she also made positive comments about your mothering but it's too skewed towards the negative.

You have nothing to lose because you don't want or need her gifts so she can't bribe you even if that works with your DH.

Good advice. You are not obligated by MIL gifts to put up with behaviours that make you unhappy. But if your DH won't call it out that doesn't preclude your doing so, just be measured and constructive. You might get an emotional overreaction but so long as you stand your ground and stay calm and reasonable (this bit is essential) it will blow over and she might even have more respect for you.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 29/02/2024 09:48

You can't have your cake and eat it too OP.
The only way this would work is if you have or develop a thick skin.

When she says do you not care, you say, you're right about falls being dangerous but I also care about her developing her muscles and a fall is part of growing up, its about balance.
She'll soon tire.

That and ignoring most comments.

There are ways of putting people in their place without being confrontational or aggressive.

Sharptonguedwoman · 29/02/2024 09:45

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/02/2024 14:23

the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM

Who pays the piper calls the tune. Your MIL and DH know she's paying to do this. Your choices are to be independent or not. I'd choose independence. But that means you get a job.

Your MIL sounds really annoying. A few thoughts: If your children are over 8 ish, get a job and some financial independence. Your MIL has the purse strings so she has the power.

Stop accepting the phone calls, just let them go to voicemail. Ring back in the evening when you have time.
Take your own children on holiday to your chosen location.

cujo · 29/02/2024 09:42

danialan · 28/02/2024 22:00

@Codlingmoths yeah sort of. He will leave most of his stuff in the kids' part but will go over to his mum's "to help her out" ie bring towels etc, and that leads into a 1-2hr conversation. Then he will be back for a short while, usually just enough for a quick swim with the kids and checking some emails, then his mum wants a cocktail and needs his company because surely she can't drink alone so back he goes for another few hours. By that point we've had lunch with the kids because they got hungry and he was busy "helping" mum with something or just mid conversation, so he has to join his mum for lunch etc. If I ask about it he just says that he can't leave her without company, and im not eating lunch alone as ive got the children (toddlers)

how are you more upset by her comments rather than your husbands behaviour?

queenMab99 · 29/02/2024 09:40

You haven't signed a contract to say she pays and you accept her criticism. You can deal with her criticism in whatever way you want, if she stops paying, that's up to her. This may cause problems with your husband, but then your argument is with him surely!

betterangels · 29/02/2024 09:38

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:26

@Hatty65 if I got a job the comments would continue (because they still happened when I had a job). No way would DH stop accepting the gifts, I know that for a fact

So you knew this and still chose this life? People do things because there's a payoff for them. Yours seems to be a house and staying at home.

Itsallok · 29/02/2024 09:30

Obviously MIL can see that you are a leach. And she likes the power over the little boy who will never be successful enough to afford what she can give him. Given that you have only got a flat due to inheritance....

frami · 29/02/2024 09:27

I once made the mistake of taking money from my parents (DF had a life limiting illness and want to give some money while he was still compis mentis). Taking it was the greatest mistake I ever made once DF became too ill to intervene DM used it as a stick to beat me. I put up with it for DF's sake but since his death have distanced myself from DM and refused any more gifts. I suggest you do the same. Life will be better for it.

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