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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

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OldPerson · 29/02/2024 20:00

When you accepted the house, the car and never needing to work ..... you accepted the over-involvement of MIL. You're going to have to approach this strategically and decide what rights and involvement MIL has, such as which schools the kids go to - epsecially if she's paying. Does brother of DH get the same benefits?

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord · 29/02/2024 19:56

I don't agree with most posters. Gifts shouldn't come with stipulations of disrespect.

When she bought the house for OPs husband did she say "as long you parent your children the way I say?"

The comments are not okay and MIL should be told.

DisabledDemon · 29/02/2024 19:44

Well, if you want to keep on being a SAHM and keep on accepting the handouts to enable this, then you only have one other choice if your DH won't step in. You'll just have to wait for her to die.

restingbitchface30 · 29/02/2024 19:27

You’ve had so many nasty comments that I’ve read on here.
I get it, my mil is vile. She even told me I was fat at the weekend so that was pleasant. Always telling me I’m not looking after my babies properly, just unpleasant to be around. Because
of that I wouldn’t accept anything off her. I wouldn’t be going on any holidays she paid for, I wouldn’t be comfortable living in a house she paid for etc. I personally am happy seeing my mil twice a year and I can do that because we aren’t reliant on her for anything. If money is the issue I’m afraid you’ll have to go out to work. That way you won’t feel beholden to her.

RecklessGoddess · 29/02/2024 19:17

Personally, I would rather have to work and live somewhere else, than put up with all the nasty and rude comments and micro managing!

RecklessGoddess · 29/02/2024 19:15

I think you need to look up "pre nup"!

Mumof3confused · 29/02/2024 18:58

People seem to have jumped on the fact that you’ve got a comfortable life and don’t have to work, and I suspect jealousy is underlying the comments of ‘put up and shut up and you’ve been bought and accepted it’.

The thing is, it’s not about that. If you had (or get) a job, there will be an avalanche or critique because you’re ‘abandoning the baby’ and all sorts of absolute nonsense.

She sounds like a covert narcissist and very entitled - your DH has been well trained for years to suck up to her. If he stands up for you there WILL be consequences. Would he choose to protect you and your dignity over nice cars and holidays?

I suspect the other brother is less popular because he sometimes stands up to her? Narcissists always play their children off against each other and will have one Golden Child.

Sickdissapointed · 29/02/2024 18:56

Agree he who pays the piper plays the tune. I had a MIL like this. Offered to pay for lots but totally overrode every decision as a result. My MIL even turned up at a house viewing unannounced calling estate agent by his first name and totally took over. Turns out she wanted to invest in our home. I had totally had enough by this time.
My advice. Talk to DH. Get a job. Feather your own nest. Men with mothers like this rarely stand up to them. She will destroy your marriage. Happened to me.

threatmatrix · 29/02/2024 18:54

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

Then go out get a job and refuse help from her. I’d feel guilty accepting so much from someone I disliked.

JustAnotherMumOfBoys · 29/02/2024 18:44

imo you don’t owe her anything just because she pays. She is plain rude.

the whole “whoever pays is king” is wrong and that’s the reason many women accept to be treated like garbage by their DHs.

nothing to do with money and all to do with manners and respect.

you need to be respectful but speak your mind, and so does your DH.
on the other hand she sounds like a nightmare so she won’t stop, but at least she knows you are not a pushover.
Good luck

Loyallyreserved · 29/02/2024 18:17

MIL gives you a house, luxury holidays, gifts which you happily accept allowing you to be a SAHM. And she feels entitled to comment on your behaviour.
so you have a choice - either don’t accept the gifts and be self sufficient, or, accept the gifts and shut up.
Your choice.

Anon543210 · 29/02/2024 17:58

Wow some proper weird comments in this thread, it doesn't matter how much financial help the mil gives that still does not give her carte blanche to run your lives. The people actually saying that you need to suck it up because of the financial help she gives it doesn't mean she has bought your lives or all your free will that's just an insane way of thinking and I can't belive so many grown supposedly intelligent adults would even think that way let alone say it out loud that's just crazy to me.

BooBooDoodle · 29/02/2024 17:40

Get a job, earn your own money and get some independence. She’s got an opinion on everything you do because she’s bank rolling you and you’re jumping through hoops to make sure the gravy train doesn’t end. Have some self respect and start making your opinions matter and count for something. Your child is growing up seeing and hearing all of this. Set an example and be a good role model for her.

Allfur · 29/02/2024 16:41

Calliopespa, the op is being taken advantage of, 'used and disrespected' - by giving that back, it resets the balance

saraclara · 29/02/2024 16:31

"So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off."

But really, is this a big thing? My first was incredibly well coordinated and strong when she was tiny. She put the fear of god into everyone when she climbed and balanced like a much older child, without fear. But I knew she could do it. I wasn't a casual parent but I knew that she had this unusual ability so I stood back.
Of course my MIL, my friends, other mums used to warn me and expect me to do something. I'd say the same as you, but occasionally my DH or I would lift her down or support her more anyway, just to save people stressing. Not a biggie.

The holiday and name things are bad, but the rest? You seem to be making a mountain of of a molehill.

LondonFox · 29/02/2024 15:31

danialan · 28/02/2024 20:30

Thank you for all the responses, wow didn't expect so many! I'll address the most common questions

Yes he works. Earns just under 100K. When I quit my job I was in a similar field to him, earnt 70K. Long working hours, which he still has.

Arina - my husband did initially love the name. In fact he suggested it as I was so upset about my grandma dying and we hadn't really decided on a name at that point. He loved it up until MIL commented a few times and then he started giving me other suggestions. I said I still prefer Arina, he said he's fallen in love with [another name, not DD's name now]. We went back and forth but ultimately chose another one we both agreed on.

Have I responded to any of her comments? Yes, I generally do, but politely. So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off. Or on holiday when asked about why I only got to the beach by 9am I said that's the routine that works best for the girls, I don't see the need to wake them up, it's plenty of sun for them. And on the clothing point I said I'll keep them in the sun protective swimwear as that's better than naked. The name is the only time I got slightly rude because I was VERY annoyed at MIL and upset about my gran - I said "it's a beautiful name actually, would be much nicer to have a unique and beautifully sounding name than something that half the class will also be called" (both her sons have very common names) and when she suggested "Jasmine" I said I'd never name my child after a flower, she'd have to use it as a grown up, not just a little girl (MIL's name is a flower)

"So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off."

You can start talking to your DH.
It would take probably one, most two situations like this before I'd lose my shit and tell DH to leave fucking child alone to learn as she normally does when MIL isn't around. Idk why you aren't standing up for yourself more. It's not like you need their money.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 29/02/2024 15:07

When he’s pandering to his mother on holiday getting her another cocktail or whatever, gather yourself and the kids stuff up after half an hour or so and saunter back over there and get settled in, ask him to get you a cocktail and something for the kids while he’s at it. Keep subtly reminding the pair of them that he’s a parent with responsibilities.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/02/2024 15:00

BTW everyone there are a couple of perfectly serviceable words in English; given and gave. 'Gifted' isn't posher, better or clearer.

HTH.

Mydietstartstomorrow · 29/02/2024 14:57

GanninHyem · 29/02/2024 10:40

I'm going against the grain. Gifts even as big as houses shouldn't come with the caveat of "I will be a prick to you as much as I like". Is there a sliding scale? If I give a friend a £1000 handbag for Xmas can I call her a cunt for a month?

Your husband sounds like a fucking drip tho. He's more interested in lavish gifts than sticking up for his wife and removing himself from his mother's teat. Ick.

This.
ignore the nasty comments, they’re from jealous envious snipers.
Who wouldn’t want to be gifted a house and cars, make life financially more comfortable. But it shouldn’t allow her free rein to be a bitch. A lot of the comments are very typical mil comments which I would be a little more sterner about responding to. But your husband needs to grow a set and tell her to back off and allow you both to raise your kids as you please. And not to run to her frequently to accompany her on cocktail hour!

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/02/2024 14:52

Notjustabrunette · 29/02/2024 10:53

You what, you don’t have yo go on a holiday you don’t enjoy. Don’t go. Your husband is free to go if he wants to, and take the kids. You can enjoy some ‘me’ time.

This has been said a few times and the OP hasn't answered. It's either that she actually loves the holidays and doesn't want to give them up OR she hates them and is coerced to go. But she won't specify.

The answer is just not to go. Or do what we do when we go with various family members; each person gives a list of must-haves and nice-to-haves and of course I someone finds somewhere that fits the bill. If OP wants a kids club and nannies, she can make them a must-have. MIL wants a specific place that doesn't have that, OP doesn't go.

OP you must see that the holidays is DH as much as, if not more than, MIL. The lazy fucker just wants to relax and have you to nanny.

NothingVenturedAndAllThat · 29/02/2024 14:39

I would sit her down and ask her if her financial assistance comes with strings attached. It's not a gift if it comes with expectations.

Ultimately though she might not be reasonable enough to recognise that and could withdraw her financial support. It boils down to whether you're comfortable being bought at the expense of raising your child in a way you see fit.

I couldn't put up with it for any amount of cash. I'd rather struggle. Particularly when it comes to thinks like managing risk. How your child learns to negotiate safety now will have an impact on how secure and comfortable they are with risk assessment as an adult. Also, the behaviour over naming is subtle racism/xenophobia (sorry, I don't know the origin of the name Arina). I wouldn't want my kid around that kind of nastiness tbh.

aloris · 29/02/2024 13:56

danialan · 28/02/2024 22:00

@Codlingmoths yeah sort of. He will leave most of his stuff in the kids' part but will go over to his mum's "to help her out" ie bring towels etc, and that leads into a 1-2hr conversation. Then he will be back for a short while, usually just enough for a quick swim with the kids and checking some emails, then his mum wants a cocktail and needs his company because surely she can't drink alone so back he goes for another few hours. By that point we've had lunch with the kids because they got hungry and he was busy "helping" mum with something or just mid conversation, so he has to join his mum for lunch etc. If I ask about it he just says that he can't leave her without company, and im not eating lunch alone as ive got the children (toddlers)

All my holidays for about ten years were similar to this (not the part about the wealthy in-laws but the part about being left alone with the kids most of the time while he hung out with his parents and then everyone would act like I should be grateful for my "vacation") and I still haven't gotten over it. Do you enjoy this, basically doing what you already do at home, alone, while your husband panders to his mom?

I eventually started making it very clear to all of them that I was not enjoying the vacation and that this was totally unfair to me. It changed very gradually, not fast enough, but it did eventually get better. It still makes me angry to think back on it though.

Blogswife · 29/02/2024 13:05

It sounds like an informal contract has been made - she supports you financially and as.a result has a more than normal involvement in your DD lives ?
You could choose to break that contract but at a price which would affect your family’s lifestyle which you seem to enjoy .

You could let the comments wash over you - laugh them off and not react to them but if you can’t do that then maybe you should start gently challenging her (& your DH should grow some balls) instead of privately fuming . “The baby is fine Mum , she does this all the time at home and it helps her to develop “ or “ the girls get plenty of fresh air , education is good for them too” . “ We WILL be calling our DD Arina (& do it ) “ You don’t need to go full scale NC , but you don’t have to put up with the comments if they’re upsetting you so much

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 29/02/2024 12:54

PansyOatZebra · 29/02/2024 11:29

This. I’d have not taken the financial help tbh. By taking all the gifts and financial support it’ll be harder to cut them out.

Whats your point? OP is living there enjoying the benefits of the free house, and other benefits, right!

thecatsthecats · 29/02/2024 12:14

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