To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

Relationship breakdowns, housing issues, bereavement.
Whilst these can and do absolutely lead to distress it is rare that they lead to serious mental illness. The majority of these issues can't be treated by mental health services.
Many people can not tolerate the feelings that naturally come with these experiences.
It is normal to feel sad and distressed when a relationship breaks down or you lose a loved one. Sitting with this distress is part of the process of grief. Many look for a quick fix which just doesn't exist.

Clarify what you mean by staff like me??

Your post doesnt even make sense in the context of my original post now and for someone accusing me of twisting things thats exactly what you have done

I have no interesting in posting with someone not responding in good faith

I would wonder whether your FIL is in the correct job TBH.

And you seem to be forgetting that a lot of these children were banned from contact without anyone outside their family for over a year

No they weren't. Summer 2020 people were meeting up in the open air. Autumn 2020 many, if not all, were back at school. And no-one was 'banned' from contacting anyone outside their family by phone, Facetime etc at any time - which as we keep being told on threads about mobile phones, is how young people keep in touch with their friends these days.

You mean the generation who was taken out of school, educated in challenging circumstances and has then had to adjust to being back in school again, so long as there are no strikes (which I support) and their classroom isnt about to collapse in on itself...

Sounds a bit like my mother's generation. She was ten years old in 1939. Her house actually did collapse in on itself, when she was in it, but that was only due to a bomb, not crumbling concrete.

I think many think that helicopter parenting and permissive parenting are actually very harmful for children.

This.

Natural consequences are much more effective.

Children need to be trusted, allowed to make mistakes and gain confidence.

They also need time away from parents with peers in real life situations to learn how to manage social conflicts.

I think there's a similarity with VAR in football!! Bear with me...

VAR was put in place in response to really poor decisions by officials in matches. But now, because they have the technology, it's used all the time for all kinds of situations.

For so many years children/young people/anyone really were not listened to who had issues with mental health. There was a stigma and generally speaking adults/people in authority were believed over children/potentially vulnerable people. Which was not good obviously. Now there's a concerted effort by the culture of this country's society to talk about heath care and ideally to check in on everyone's mental health. Which seems to be a better thing.

A direct response to the previous situation.

But where is the line to be drawn? Should it be drawn? As pp said, people learn resilience through security. But how is that universally achieved? How do we get the balance right?

Sorry - US article

ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/the-rise-of-anxiety-and-depression-among-young-adults-in-the-united-states

Someone said not much research has been posted.

This link gives data on anxiety - rose in all age groups during the pandemic and is now dropping back. Young people are more likely to be anxious.

So the pandemic has had an effect but on something that was already there.

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/statistics/anxiety-statistics#:~:text=Younger%20people%20are%20more%20likely,and%20over%20(5%25%20likely)

This article is US based but they have seen similar trends and their research suggests academic stress, economic stress and social media.

Sorry, you’re aware of children who are being abused? Have you reported this to the police? Or are you talking in general terms and you’re just dumping those kids in with anyone who didn’t go to school for a year for some reason? Kids who have an abusive home life, of course will suffer more, but that doesn’t extend to ALL children who were home schooled for a year. It’s like suggesting all children who go to school are traumatised because some children might be abused by their teacher. 2 different things.

And please do point out where I said children in third world countries don’t have mental health problems, because you seem to be twisting what I actually said.

Your interpretation of my tone is up to you, but it says nothing about me.

So how exactly do you propose parents working full time jobs x2, navigating col crisis change zero MH provision anywhere , online dangers and a world completely beholden to smartphones, crumbling schools, a shit education system, a broken nhs, climate change, housing difficulties …

My teaching colleague attended a seminar the other day. It was on the subject of the lack of productivity expected in the next generation workforce.
It is a real concern.

But equally within it we see wait lists going up as people don't follow the advice given, don't turn up for appointments, abusive to staff which leads to long term staff sickness

This is intersting because it goes to prove @MrsSunshine2b s point. After all its not the children, or not just children, not following advice, missing appointments and being abusive to staff

😲 you cant say that you will be told to get some perspective by a MNer who apparently doesnt have the resilience to read a post they disagree with 🤣

I totally agree with you

I also deal with our graduates at work, and despite what some one here are saying about their age group they are all incredibly smart, well adjusted and resilient. They are a breeze to work with, far more so than some of my colleagues who are older than them. I have some male colleagues in their 50s and 60s who have huge shouting matches every time a tiny little thing goes wrong because they cant cope with it.

This!

I wasn't referring to those with medical conditions, I was referring to those lacking in self confidence, mild anxietyetc. My daughter was really struggling - crying every night, refusing to eat, refusing to go to school, and the experiences drama and Brownies gave her turned her life around as they enabled her to believe in herself, take back control and tell the bullies where to go. And I know many parents have said the same. I'm sorry your child didn't find it helpful, no one solution will work for everyone of course.

And I work with terminally ill children, so am confronted with 'real life' on a daily basis. And I know the NHS needs to do more, I work in it and have a physical disability and a mental health condition. But equally within it we see wait lists going up as people don't follow the advice given, don't turn up for appointments, abusive to staff which leads to long term staff sickness

My point was that people need to be proactive rather than reactive. See something which needs changing, try best to change it, whether thats lobbying for better funding, volunteering with support groups, getting a job within an area passionate about to try to produce change from the inside

The bit where she failed to recognise or mention the huge amount of pressures youngsters are now under.

I think they meant whether the correct gender pronouns are used (she/her, he/him, they/them) to match the individual’s preference

I think there is an incredibly long list of things that is causing a decline in the mental health of young people today vs previous generations. Off the top of my head:
Social media and all that encompasses - unrealistic beauty standards, online bullying, the fear that at any point you make a mistake or social faux pas it could be recorded and uploaded to the internet for millions to see
Underfunding of sports and arts in education - not all children are academic and that is fine, but by taking away these they may feel like they aren’t good/succeeding at anything and removing a creative outlet for those who may need it most
Cost of living - most households now need two adults working full time in order to possibly cover all the bills, meaning there is no longer always an adult at home when they get home etc, picking up on the stresses of parents struggling to pay bills and the costs of everyday life
The absence of a village - my parents were brought up around their extended family members, aunts, uncles, cousins, there were more people about to support parents and provide a diverse range of people for children to open up to and confide in
The underfunding of education in the UK and the shortage of teachers leading to schools having less and less resources and having to implement draconian measures that are almost certain to cause anxiety in at least some children
A reduction in easily accessible and free green spaces
An increase in children living in poverty
The impacts of Covid
NHS waiting times meaning that children with SEN are waiting years for a diagnosis and then having their EHCP fought at every step by local councils, robbing them of the support they need

Is it any surprise their mental health and resilience is suffering?!

Everyone who is working to A grade standard should get an A. It shouldn't be 80% one year, 85% the next or being about the top in your cohort, it should just be about achieving the grade standard. If so many are achieving it then perhaps the teaching or study methods are better than the half arsed thrown in at the deep end never taught study skills whoops I taught you the wrong syllabus stuff we used to get in the 1980s and 1990s.

Do you see a trend of possible causes in your work?

Do you think there were always issues but young people are now being encouraged to seek help?

When I was growing up, suicide, particularly among males, was high enough to be unexpected.

Why are we talking about the sensitivity of young people rather than the ones who will very soon be in full-on-meltdown because a newspaper told them that a shop was using "chocolate eggs" instead of "Easter eggs" so as not to offend Muslims? And why are we worried about young people not liking phone calls and not the many senior managers in every organisation who refuse to engage with new technology and as a result someone else has to help them login to Teams every day? Nobody seems worried about them coping.

And you seem to be forgetting that a lot of these children were banned from contact without anyone outside their family for over a year- mostly to protect the above Easter egg aficionados- and probably need a bit of time to readjust after that.

Well if you’re a therapist you’ll know that there is no provision for the 18-25 group and mentally ill youngsters are just dumped at 18. Your lack of empathy speaks volumes about the quality of therapy those lucky enough to receive it get.