To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

SEN are often linked to MH struggles and threshold for what?

Yep, that is my point. Too much banding around ‘neuro diverse’ - when it actually can't be as common as it is currently.

Neuro diverse - what are the likely proportions of children? Currently there are many, many parents claiming their child is neuro diverse - surely that can't be correct and does a disservice to those that genuinely are.

I work in education, I understand the term, but I also see the term used as an excuse by parents.

‘Yes and that would explain why suicide rates shot up after the war and continued that way until the 1960s because people's mental health was impacted’.

Im not sure that this is a correct interpretation of the statistics. There were more young men ( the main risk group) who were not being killed in the War (sorry if this is too blunt) or being given the structure of military discipline , so increased the suicide rate.

And of course amongst the civilian population, many suicides and murders were just not noticed if the bodies were found as part of the clear up after a raid. That’s what my uncle said anyway, and he was in the Police force throughout the period .

You don’t have to do anything but a therapist should have some awareness and some empathy( and some professional know how).

Actually I do recall older colleagues talking about younger colleagues who would now be described as snowflakes and would give silly excuses as to why they couldn’t come into work. This was in 90s/00 time so before wokeness.

My last permanent post was in middle management. Latterly, a lot of my time was spent dealing with parents who would not accept that their children could ever be in the wrong.

I'd be dealing with arguments over grades, behaviour...

Nothing was ever the responsibility of the pupils.

I recall one time when a pupil copied and pasted their coursework from the internet. (Took me 5 minutes to Google it.)

When I challenged the pupil, they claimed that I was lying, cursed at me, overturned furniture... Same pupil turned up clearly inebriated for a mock.

At the parental meeting, the parent berated me. How dare I claim that their angel had been drunk? How dare I say that their essay had been plagiarised?

When I provided the URL for the original essay, I was then told that the pupil didn't think that it was plagiarism, because it had been copied by hand and not copied and pasted. [It had not been handwritten.)

The parent was a solicitor.

When I was a child in infant school we had milk at break I think or during a lesson and access to a fountain at breaks. At lunch we had drinks. In junior school much the same and also secondary school. We certainly didn’t gorge on water or other drinks and ate when we needed to. Adults these days seem to suck on water bottles like they’re dummies/babies milk bottles.

I don’t disagree with you, and would include the closure of Surestart centres left right and centre.

Older generation thinking younger generation is flawed and sure to end the future of man kind - tale as old as time. They’ll be fine.

You’re spot on!

Interestingly, there may be a parallel with the 1990s when there was a rise and then a peak in diagnoses of bulimia.

At the time eating disorders were in the media a lot (largely because of Princess Diana) and there was speculation about what was driving it.

This paper suggests that it was that a lot of previously undiagnosed people came to the GP and got help and then once that "blip" if you like was through diagnosis rates fell back to where they had been.

www.brown.uk.com/eatingdisorders/currin.pdf

I don’t know how you put up with it.

Unpopular opinion but if the child enters the school using she or he, that should be it until they leave.

Isnt that because society expects a quick fix though?

When you are expected to only be off a day for a close family members funeral, a few days for a parent, adult child or partner and then you are back in the workplace which bleats on at you about leaving personal problems at the door why wouldnt people think there should be a quick fix when society expects there to be one? There isnt much opportunity to sit with distress when people are pushing you back to normality.

Daily crying about pronouns ? Don’t be daft. Are we in tabloidland ?

I completely agree. I’ve worked with children for almost my entire 30year career, and specifically with adolescents for 20 years and thee change in their level of resilience is staggering and quite frankly terrifying!
I believe that this trend can be reversed, but it’ll take parents getting on board with allowing their children to fail and experience the unpleasant feelings as well as the good from a young age, not swooping in to fix everything for them…

"Gentle parenting" happened to the young people described by the op. The ones who have never had to face a consequence or make an effort. The ones whose parents refuse to accept that their child is anything but perfect. The helicopter parents, the ones who don't teach that along with having rights comes having responsibilities. The ones who wait on their offspring hand and foot only pausing to ensure they have the latest tech/trainers/ fashion

Fortunately the ones who are resilient ,hardworking and who have integrity are still in the majority

Couldn’t agree more. I also work in education and it’s a real issue and an almost daily topic of conversation amongst staff. 80% attendance is pretty much average in our school, that’s kids missing an average of a day a week. It’s worrying.

I actually think it’s just presenting itself in different ways. Older generations didn’t have the support / understand that’s here now so resort to anger / shouting / etc. whereas younger people understand it more so might get upset but will also access help.

Edit to add that there was likely fear of judgement from older generations whereas younger generations won’t fear that that to the same degree.

I've been in mainstream ed for 40 yrs. (Now retired from my permanent post, but do a bit of secondary supply.)

When I was in my permanent post, the kids who complained about 'misgendering' weren't the actual 'trans' kids, but their pals - looking to stir up a fuss.

The one time I remember a trans kid getting in a strop with me was when a 'non-binary' girl I encountered on supply went in the huff when I used the name that she had written on the front of her jotter.

Oh...and I've twice been corrected by non 'trans' kids for being 'sexist' when I dared to say 'Ladies and gentlemen'.

Sounds a bit like my mother's generation. She was ten years old in 1939. Her house actually did collapse in on itself, when she was in it, but that was only due to a bomb, not crumbling concrete.

Yes and that would explain why suicide rates shot up after the war and continued that way until the 1960s because people's mental health was impacted

And whilst covid is in no way the same as being bombed in a country at war, some of the resulting impacts seem to be following a similar pattern

Yes.

Dismissing the huge pressures youngsters are under as “ they just can't cope with every day life …..They seem to not be able to cope with any stress.” is pretty shit and doesn’t say much about her as a therapist.

“not sure what's causing it tbh” illustrates a complete lack of awareness she should have if she’s working with 17-22 year olds as a therapist. It’s hugely worrying if she doesn’t.

I think alot of people are crumbling under a guise of what looks like resilience, so it's not true resilience.
There are plenty of adults that don't let people see the cracks and hide their vulnerabilities and maybe don't let their guard down until they're at home or with people they truly trust.
I think that's what people get confused with.
I live on a council estate with lots of different people that I am able to get close to and they share their worries and fears with me which I have great respect for. I share with them my struggles too: a man I know finds it very difficult to leave the house and is on benefits for his anxiety disorder and the NHS hasn't offered him the right help. He's also deeply afraid of thunder storms.
Just have that in mind.

My guess is most of the students you see would have been in different provisions previously. Many may have been in SEN settings or in MH facilities. Now those services are cut to nothing you are seeing them.