To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

Haven't read the thread so don't know if it's been mentioned.

I've just seen an article in UnHerd by Mary Harrington about a book called Bad Therapy by Abigail Shrier.

The gist is that bad therapy and therapeutic parenting are bad for children and don't produce resilience. Father-style authoritative parenting is absent and mothers are in the dock for mother-style parenting. Not a cheering read.

https://unherd.com/2024/02/bad-therapy-is-stunting-our-kids/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

True about the reading

That's why some of them struggle so much with education

I was reading an article a while ago about the link between reading and empathy, well-being and resilience.
I know kids don't read much anymore. I wonder if those who do have better resilience.

I think if things get tough, most people cope and get on with it. Especially if they have children they need to protect.

I think comparing different age groups is probably as old as time. I'm in my 70s, I have always been in awe of my grandmother who had my grandfather, my father and my uncle fighting in WWII. She had younger children as well and was pregnant when grandfather went off to the war. How did she cope? No mobile phones, sometimes months when she didn't hear from them. Would my generation have coped like she did? Who knows, we weren't tested like that. Maybe we would, would young mothers now who can't bear their child to be out of contact so they have to carry a mobile everywhere? Again who knows, they are just used to what they have. I daresay if some dystopian future comes to pass we'd all adjust, well most of us would because that's what we do and why we've survived this long as a species.

I have great faith in the young, when I was young I was fighting for equality, they are fighting for the future of the planet and I wish them well. I won't be around to see if they succeed but I hope they do.

@WestwardHo1 I am sorry to hear that.
Suicide is more common as people get older as if they struggle with depression all their life, they stop believing that things will get better.

Here's to a different government and better funding! I also recommend Jonathan Pie!

The effects were legion. My grandfather killed himself in the sixties, after being depressed for two decades. The effects on my parent lasted their whole life and directly influenced their own parenting. And not in a good way.

My dps or dgps for that matter were never like that. Both dps born in WW2 or my PILs but I'm sure there were dps like that.

DM had a friend and we used to go there as dc and they had dc my age. I was frightened of their dad as he was strict

I don't think people make the connection between the generation of angry, messed-up parents who were authoritarian to the point of traumatising their children, a generation of new parents who are so terrified of traumatising their own kids they lean towards permissive, and a generation of children who are used to having their emotions heard and validated, but perhaps a little lacking in experience with adversity.

That's if we put aside the fact that the majority of the ones ranting on about the second world war and how kids today will never know the struggle were born quite some way after the second world war anyway. The over-78s are not well represented on Mumsnet, but you wouldn't know that from the credit people take.

Exactly. It makes me roll my eyes when I hear this. There were many fucked up and brutalised people, who then went on to rear kids.

Does that not answer your own question?

Poverty, inequality, breeds trauma, mental health issues such as depression & anxiety, physical health is poorer, crucially, sleep affected.

Those kids don't feel resilient, they feel tired & broken & like they don't matter.

You seem to think they're not resilient but, they're often showing resilience such by showing up.

Is there a big divide now between those kids who are resilient and capable and those who are not?
I dread to think what's going to happen in the future if this is reflected within society as there does seem to be huge proportion of young people with lack of resilience.

Can I ask please, do you work in a less affluent school? And/or do you support pupils who are mainly from lower income families?

I think schools need debating societies. There was an Oxbridge grad teacher in my state school who set one up.

Debating something where you have to stand up and speak, consider someone else's opinion, see what audience reaction is like but realise none of it really matters - it's so valuable.

I agree with you.

I teach people to drive aged mostly 17-28 and they are amazing. They are mentally strong, intelligent, capable, committed and determined. I’ve had gymnasts, singers, actors, dancers synchronised swimmer, trainee police officers, nurses those interested in politics, education, science.

They are wonderful and I always think to myself that as the young people who will be the future generation running the country we’ll be safe in their hands.

And we ended up with generations of broken adults as a result. I'm not sure what your point is.

You used to socialise at school, uni, work. So there was a big incentive to be there. Now we socialise by iPhone and social media, or at least young people do so no need to be at those places - you can do it anywhere.

Please point out where I said an age group. I didn’t. I said people. You chose to make my post specifically about young people.

I wasn’t speaking solely on young people.

I also think teens are more capable than people choose to believe they are. I was asking myself such questions as a teen because I was raised to.

Social media is not all gen z have known especially the older ones. My son is nearly 17 and he definitely is not a social media baby, in the car to my Mum's which is 4 hours away he used to have a mobile DVD player to watch until he was about 8. DD on the otherhand is Generation Alpha and yes, smart phones, iPads have been around since she was a baby. That said, I didn't let her have that exposure and we played loads, performed in pretend plays, played musical instruments, made loads of worlds with Lego, Playmobil, Sylvanian families, at parks after school regularly. I work in data protection so definitely didn't want my children to be a data set from a young age.