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To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

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Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 13:14

And WTF do we do about it?

Obviously many young people are wonderfully resilient but the overall trend I’ve seen in my line of work (behavioural education) is that there are vast, and I mean VAST numbers of young adults who cannot leave the house, come into a classroom, look someone in the eye, make a phone call, speak infront of the class (if they make it in), cry when pronouns are wrong (daily occurrence), take responsibility to revise/get a job/learn to drive.

What is going to happen to these humans in the future?

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ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 19:14

Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 19:12

I don’t know how to make myself clearer. The numbers of young people now in behavioural education where I work is TWENTY TIMES what it was 20 years ago. Not to mention the issues elsewhere where I work. It is NOT the usual generational stuff. This is a BIG DEAL and we cannot afford to ignore it.

20 years ago there was better SEN provision, less inclusion and the current ridiculously dry and inappropriate curriculum wasn’t in place.

Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 19:13

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:42

Why are you talking about strategies. Strategies for what? Who are you to lecture? There is no one size fits all with autism. Previously you were dismissing worried parents as using neurodiversity as an excuse. It’s hugely offensive.

Starting to feel you are just here for a fight.

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greengreengrass25 · 26/02/2024 19:12

OfTheNight · 26/02/2024 19:11

I’ve seen a change in attitude from people. I teach adults and 16-19 year olds and there is much more of a feeling that the world should bend to accommodate your individual needs.

For example, learners just get up and turn lights off, leaving some learners in the dark, because they don’t like the light. There’s not much awareness of others. It’s definitely got worse in the last 10 or so years.

Yes it is exactly like that

Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 19:12

Fionaville · 26/02/2024 19:05

I think it's just a sign that you're middle aged. Every generation has been told by their elders, that their generation is too spoiled, too soft and a general pain in the arse. I remember my mother's friend in the mid 90s, saying that there must have been something in the water that affected my generation (Gen X) because we were all hopeless fecks and the world was doomed.

I don’t know how to make myself clearer. The numbers of young people now in behavioural education where I work is TWENTY TIMES what it was 20 years ago. Not to mention the issues elsewhere where I work. It is NOT the usual generational stuff. This is a BIG DEAL and we cannot afford to ignore it.

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OfTheNight · 26/02/2024 19:11

I’ve seen a change in attitude from people. I teach adults and 16-19 year olds and there is much more of a feeling that the world should bend to accommodate your individual needs.

For example, learners just get up and turn lights off, leaving some learners in the dark, because they don’t like the light. There’s not much awareness of others. It’s definitely got worse in the last 10 or so years.

RM2013 · 26/02/2024 19:07

There seems to be a shift in many things being one of them. Not sure whether it’s Covid, change in education or parenting styles or a million other things such as a change in our culture, more online interaction, more time spent indoors, more social media which can lead to comparison….

I see parents that don’t set boundaries for their kids and don’t want to upset them, I feel many in society coming across as entitled - I think our expectations
of many things have changed. I think there are many contributing factors.

There definitely needs to be some changes - just not sure what/how

Fionaville · 26/02/2024 19:05

I think it's just a sign that you're middle aged. Every generation has been told by their elders, that their generation is too spoiled, too soft and a general pain in the arse. I remember my mother's friend in the mid 90s, saying that there must have been something in the water that affected my generation (Gen X) because we were all hopeless fecks and the world was doomed.

WestwardHo1 · 26/02/2024 19:04

JustMeShoppingAgain · 26/02/2024 19:01

Perhaps it's just a case that troubled kids are actually being recognised, rather than flying under the radar.

I think saying that is really burying your head in the sand. Clearly there is a massive and growing problem.

And I think that simply saying we need to get them help won't do anything to address the causes. The internet and social media really have screwed with their minds

Switcher · 26/02/2024 19:02

It's the falling off a horse problem. If you don't get back on straight away, you never will, because the fear is too all consuming. Anxiety can only be managed by keeping on doing the thing that makes you anxious.

JustMeShoppingAgain · 26/02/2024 19:01

Perhaps it's just a case that troubled kids are actually being recognised, rather than flying under the radar.

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:59

TheBayLady · 26/02/2024 18:57

Another parent with no control over their children ?

I beg your pardon.

Maarlia · 26/02/2024 18:59

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:58

Have you read your own link?

We fundamentally believe that all support should:

  • be person-centred and promote autistic people’s dignity
  • keep people safe, healthy and happy
  • enable autistic people to do the things they love
  • never try and make someone "less autistic"
  • never use punishment.

Errh, yes….

FKAT · 26/02/2024 18:59

Octavia64 · 26/02/2024 13:39

@FKAT
That is really interesting, thank you.

I am interested in this (on a personal level as I had MH problems in my teens in the 1990s which were completely ignored) - do you have links to a research study or more detail. I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

My kids also both had MH problems as teens and they are now (largely) much better, but a key difference is that I got them treatment.

@Octavia64

The following links are useful:Unicef: Necessity of Urban Green Space for Children's Optimal Development

Rethinking Childhood

Make Space For Girls

Guardian article

Plus all the evidence submitted to the parliamentary committee on Children, Young People and the Built Environment.

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:58

Maarlia · 26/02/2024 18:47

Strategies. Common parlance between professionals and with parents.

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/strategies-and-interventions

Have you read your own link?

We fundamentally believe that all support should:

  • be person-centred and promote autistic people’s dignity
  • keep people safe, healthy and happy
  • enable autistic people to do the things they love
  • never try and make someone "less autistic"
  • never use punishment.
Ribenaberry12 · 26/02/2024 18:58

I work with teenagers and I am surprised on the daily as to how many problems they involve adults in. Things like minor friendship fallouts that I would expect they could navigate themselves by secondary school they can’t do without adult input.

ItsAllAboutTheDosh · 26/02/2024 18:58

@Tahinii lots of people were in desperately unhappy or abusive marriages with no way out.

TheBayLady · 26/02/2024 18:57

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 17:07

Oh give over you have no bloody idea. None at all. It’s not that easy with mobile phones, trust me I tried.

Another parent with no control over their children ?

Tahinii · 26/02/2024 18:56

It’s convenient to ignore the raging alcoholism in the men (and women) of previous generations and the predominantly women who only coped with “mother’s little helper aka diazepam”.

ItsAllAboutTheDosh · 26/02/2024 18:56

@Ramalangadingdong where am I saying children and young people should not have support?
Support is fine, we all need it. Does not make it mental health problems though.

Matronic6 · 26/02/2024 18:55

Been teaching for about 15 years and honestly thinking of giving it up not just because of the demands of the job but the kids are increasingly apathetic. And the kids and their enthusiasm and pride in their learning has always been what kept me going.

Now, it just feels like some kids not matter how much you give them, their first response is "I can't, I don't get it, I'm confused" and when I asked to see what they have done so far, nothing. Some don't even try to give it a go. Not because they aren't capable, they simply want an adult to do it with them. Encouraging these kinds of kids just to try; takes so much time away from kids who actually do need help. Never do any homework, or partake in interventions to help them improve because they can't be bothered and parents 'can't make them do it.'
Despite 'not getting it' they consistently whisper, play with pens and purposefully try to distract others and are then are offended when you tell them off, deny it and huff or sulk.

They are the same kind of kids who fall apart when things don't go their way on the playground. Take up lots of adult time to sort out and assist in restorative conversation and resolve it only to go home and tell parents their very biased side of the story and 'no one cared.'
Of course parents come in all guns blazing leading to more wasted adult time. Only for the whole thing to begin again in a week or two.

I just can't go on like this. It's so draining on the rest of the class and the adults and they do just suck all the joy out of it and I think I am finally ready to leave.

anotherside · 26/02/2024 18:51

Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 13:14

And WTF do we do about it?

Obviously many young people are wonderfully resilient but the overall trend I’ve seen in my line of work (behavioural education) is that there are vast, and I mean VAST numbers of young adults who cannot leave the house, come into a classroom, look someone in the eye, make a phone call, speak infront of the class (if they make it in), cry when pronouns are wrong (daily occurrence), take responsibility to revise/get a job/learn to drive.

What is going to happen to these humans in the future?

That’s not resilience it’s social skills. And yes I’m sure there’s a decline in social skills due to use of screen / social media rocketing the past 20 years.

Maarlia · 26/02/2024 18:47

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:42

Why are you talking about strategies. Strategies for what? Who are you to lecture? There is no one size fits all with autism. Previously you were dismissing worried parents as using neurodiversity as an excuse. It’s hugely offensive.

Strategies. Common parlance between professionals and with parents.

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/strategies-and-interventions

Strategies and interventions

This section looks at a range of approaches that can support autistic people to reach their full potential.  

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/strategies-and-interventions

Feminazi53 · 26/02/2024 18:46

I'm slightly freaked by the amount of disbelief and assumption of bad faith by other poster to the OP. FWIW, when I grew up in the 80s and I was not aware of any deaths/ suicides in my circle. My 20-something DS has lost quite a few friends - one query murder (official finding not clear), suicide and drug accident. I know lots of youngsters who are not in education, training or work. They just don't go out.

dimllaishebiaith · 26/02/2024 18:43

PurpleChrayn · 26/02/2024 18:29

I agree.

My children are half-Israeli, and the difference I see in their fully Israeli (living there) cousins is incredible. They are strong, bold and feisty with none of the people pleasing "niceness" we have here in the UK, and none of the pandering.

As someone who had Christian Palestinan relatives in Gaza I'm not quite convinced that "strong, bold and fiesty lack of people pleasing" is to be reccomended but then I think you knew that when you posted this

ShakerP3g · 26/02/2024 18:42

Maarlia · 26/02/2024 18:39

Yes, I've been part of the meetings at the Child Development Clinic, between professionals and parents where the diagnosis, is made, using all of the reports and assessment over time.

Working with families, those that support with strategies to help their child (diagnosed or not) are those with children whose outcomes are more positive.

Why are you talking about strategies. Strategies for what? Who are you to lecture? There is no one size fits all with autism. Previously you were dismissing worried parents as using neurodiversity as an excuse. It’s hugely offensive.

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