To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

@dimllaishebiaith, you might look at who could have influenced those things and stopped, changed or improved them? And who's next up to the plate.

I don’t really understand what job you do OP?
many of the things you list are very well known symptoms of being ND. You do know it’s discrimination to expect things like eye contact and expecting people to mask causes mental health issues? I’d rather our autistic kids were not making eye contact and not speaking in class and we reduced the vastly increased risk of suicide. Perhaps you need to think about what actually matters and what ‘resilience’ actually is. Sometimes it’s advocating for yourself and not doing something just because some random education professional who doesn’t understand you thinks you should??

What solutions do you suggest, op?

Apologies if you have already said.

I totally agree, and mentioned in an earlier post that I have learned how to deal with things by having to do them, without help, and finding my own way.

So many young people, I believe, are being harmed by their parents rushing in to defend them, fight their battles, and not let them navigate situations by themselves. Of course there is nothing wrong with parents being a back-up, but children and teens need to learn what they can cope with by facing the task and trying to deal with it and solving the problem.

Right so nothing to do with:

Phones
Social media
Covid
Climate change
AI
Cost of living
Unaffordable house prices
Two parents having to work
Alack of affordable childcare
Closing sure start centers
Closing libraries
Failing healthcare
Increasingly draconian rules in schools
Increasinly tough teaching conditions
A lack of teachers
SATs focus
Crumbling schools
Strikes
Sex inequality in the workplace still
Primary aged girls getting raped at school
Racism on the rise
Educational debt

Just all to do with millenials having a rosy idea of what life is like 🙄

When I was 16 I couldn’t wait to drive, we were sneaking into clubs, making terrible decisions, my parents signed for me to go on an 18-30s holiday when I was 17 (god knows what they were thinking)

I made poor choices, I got in situations that were far from ideal.

I also got bullied in school, had some really bad traumas and dropped out of a levels due to a major bereavement. I went back the following year knuckled down, ruined my uni experience because of some idiot boy called Josh but just cracked on. Few poor career choices but am now a director on a decent salary.

I now meet young people who won’t go to the shop alone. Something has massively changed and a feel for the younger generation as annoying as they can be.

OP, I couldn’t agree with you more.

Resilience from children comes from having secure attachments with parents. Children are increasingly becoming peer oriented, spending vast amounts of time on the internet and as such never fully mature and are demonstrating incredible rates of negative mental health symptoms.

Parents are more stressed with things such as the COL crisis, poor sleep, high internet usage, this is then impacting how we parent our children. Communities have crumbled, children have lost their 'village' and now society is seeing the consequences of that.

A lot of Teachers are no longer attempting to make individual attachments with children due to high work load and are now seeing children who do not feel supported, safe or motivated to go to school.

There are just so many issues on a societal level that it's hard to know where to begin.

😂 I'm just trying to understand. And I do see it as a failure of my generation at your age.

It's all about the avocadoes, though, really! We should've fed you gruel instead of pop-tarts 😉

And we are back to the usual blaming the millenials

Its just us and our avacados to blame for all the worlds faults as usual

Maybe they don't lack reliance

I know it was a typo, but that's what they have too much of!

Maybe people are more sceptical about the way things are, eg work hours and inequality. Maybe they don't lack reliance but have different outlooks.

Nope just some resilience I never said big

And given you also said that it shouldnt be traumatic if you are resilient we are basically saying the same thing

I've read the entire thread now. I think MY generation's (60+) BIG mistake was not drumming it into those who are now 30+ that changes from which they benefited were hard-won. This goes for everything from social security systems and universal health provision to feminism and indoor bathrooms!

If you took all that for granted, as just "how things are", you will have an overly rosy view of life so, naturally, you would not have seen a need to instil your own children with the qualities needed to make change in the world. You might be shocked and disappointed when you found unfairness and difficulty, so perhaps you'd teach your children to rail against it without taking responsibility.

Obviously not all Gen Z and Alpha are incompetent wusses. I just hope (for their sakes, I'll be dead) the pro-active ones can gee up their peers.

@waterdusky "The thing is, every generation thinks the generation below them is somehow inadequate. Yet the world keeps turning, older generations (the supposed superior ones) die out, and their values with them, and we continue to progress."

The world will keep turning, but climate change is soon going to result in a very brave new world, with half the planet uninhabitable and unable to produce crops to feed the global population. Insect populations vital to human life are dying. There will be mass migration, and wars. It's not going to be pretty.

This really

You implied it was a big show of resilience. I think standards of what resilience is have slipped massively

I hate the contempt for children/teens etc on Mumsnet. No one even bothers to attempt to disguise it, it's worn like a badge of honour.

I got into all sorts of scrapes at 15 but didn't have randoms filming it and broadcasting it on instagram.

OK, but resilience includes being able to handle embarrassment or ridicule. I'm sure you faced some of that - I certainly did!

I agree that the usual view of jobs & careers is already outdated. Has been for a long time. I also think the obsession with property ownership is a huge con, it's a convenient way for governments to get people to take on massive debts to boost the economy figures. It isn't security.

Younger adults should be working towards greater social housing provision and probably new ways to fund it. They should be addressing the erosion of 'wages' and 'jobs' because these are never coming back. A radical revision of economic models is long overdue, and upcoming minds are the ones to do it before it's too late. If anyone's going to alter the climate trajectory, it will be their generation. They need to get China, the US and India on board as well. There will be mass migration issues to deal with.

None of this can be achieved by people who melt into a puddle of tears if asked to do something difficult, or who storm out of rooms when someone disagrees with them, even inadvertently.

Yes.

My oldest (age 15, being assessed for ASC) got into a pickle recently when she got the bus into town on her own, missed the bus then had a panic about it as the next bus wasn't for an hour, by which point it was then getting on for 9PM in the city centre.

I couldn't collect her as I didn't have the car, so spoke to her on the phone, she got tearful and then a bunch of much older teens who she didn't know laughed and filmed her crying in McDonalds.

I got into all sorts of scrapes at 15 but didn't have randoms filming it and broadcasting it on instagram.

No they really don't, they laugh at me trying to encourage them to recycle their endless plastic bottles

I know recycling isn't the be all and end all

The previous generation to ours said the same and we all mostly survived ! This generation will grow up and learn

It's social media and smartphones

The cancer of humamity

But whichever way you look at it it’s undeniable that it’s much harder to buy property now. The increase has outstripped wages by so much. Property = security = something to work and strive for. I’m not saying life was idyllic then but things haven’t really improved that much for young people yet there’s this assumption that they have. And to be fair all our rivers and sea are still terribly polluted. No generation has lived with a threat anywhere as massive as climate change really. Obviously nuclear war but that was uncertain where as climate change is a very real certainty. When I think about it I get into a real panic and I’ll probably be dead by the time the shit really hits the fan.