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To think people are getting scruffier?

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HomeIsHardToFind · 25/02/2024 14:27

I am currently house hunting, I have been in a lot of properties recently and to be honest I have been shocked by the state of them!
They look fine in the estate agents photos but when you get there it's a different story.....plates and bowls piled up in the sink, crumbs all over work surfaces, disgusting ovens and urine stains/smells in the loo!
My 'favourite' was the house that had holes punched in the doors of every room (double checked the agents pics and they definitely didn't exist at the time they were taken!).
I get it, I can clean if we bought the house etc, but if you are selling your biggest asset and you want the most amount of money possible surely you make it look the best it can for viewings? I feel like I've stepped into an alternative universe at the moment!
I have also noticed that many more people out and about stink. Not just a bit of a pong or like they have a manual job and haven't showered for 24 hours but full on makes me dry heave absolutely stink!!
I put some fuel in the car this morning and the 'gentleman' that came into the garage as I was leaving smelled rancid, it must have been days and days since he had washed🤢 I could smell him outside in the fresh air!
Maybe I'm getting on (I don't think so, only early 40's!!) but I seem to remember people having more pride in themselves, their home and their families (don't get me started on some of the poor kids I've seen with such greasy hair it looks like it's been stuck to their head with chip oil☹️).
Sometimes I wonder if its COL biting but then I think about people I've known that grew up in the 60's and 70's that were dirt poor taking pride in how clean their mothers managed to keep them with nothing but soap and hot water, so I think the only difference is that the pride has gone?
Has anyone else noticed this or am I just unluckily surrounded by scruffy buggers?!

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Unwantedadvice · 26/02/2024 03:14

MYSTERIOUSGIRL2024 · 25/02/2024 23:47

I'm in no way prudish about my home being spotless but a little self pride in keeping it at least clean & tidy when I'm showing people around to view it. My partner & I are in the process of moving to a new home & in the photos we've seen in the property section have looked gorgeous & clean yet on arriving for a viewing it's the complete opposite. Dishes in the sink, clothes pouring from the laundry basket, animal fur everywhere, the grass overgrown blah blah blah. I can see past that but it's the damage done & seeing damp & mould that's harder to vision staying long-term in the property even though it's just rented accomodation. Then the ones showing us round are in their pj's, hair uncombed & their pets jumping up on us which my daughter's afraid of dogs so it's unsettling to her especially with her autism. Maybe in this day & age it's more acceptable to not worry on these things but it's just not for me!

I'm so sorry you had to go through this and I hope you're ok. I can't imagine viewing a home with dishes in the sink, let alone an overflowing laundry basket for goodness sake!

Unwantedadvice · 26/02/2024 03:02

Are you sure your nose isn't just too far up your arse?

Lwrenn · 26/02/2024 00:47

I wonder if it's linked to poor mental health, possibly brought on by COL?
I've noticed a huge difference in the way people look locally and lots of the places that did tan or lashes have had to close and the beauticians are now working mobile or from home.
Women seem to be less glamorous, (except me who in my new mum uniform of messy bun, sweat pants and hoodie, I'm so glam kris jenner wants to manage me) and being Merseyside there is a huge love of tan, lashes and brows etc, but it's not as prevalent on school runs anymore. Not saying anyone is smelly etc or unclean houses but people, self included, No longer have luxury money.
I think that impacts MH and folks just stop caring. Maybe I'm completely off the mark here, but I think I can see a link.

Jumpingthruhoops · 26/02/2024 00:00

Whycantiwinmillionsandsquillions · 25/02/2024 20:40

I think it is laziness.
Branded trainers are not cheap, neither is the latest phone. Yet I see men with these but in dirty, stained track suits.
Its gross. It would probably cost less to buy a smart pair of jeans or trousers and a shirt.
Also how many people drive huge, expensive fuel guzzling cars yet don’t look clean and smart. It’s a choice.
Having a litter strewn garden or drive is lazy. Put your rubbish in the bin.
No excuse.
People throw litter on the floor outside the building I work in. There us a bit a few feet away. Complete scrubbers.

You are spot on! This isn't the myth people like to think it is.

Jumpingthruhoops · 25/02/2024 23:52

SocksAndTheCity · 25/02/2024 17:53

And whilst you couldn't pay me to have an iphone, I'm pretty sure they're next to nothing when you sign up for a pay monthly contract.

Pretty sure a decent 12mth contract for the latest model starts at £30 per month.

MYSTERIOUSGIRL2024 · 25/02/2024 23:47

I'm in no way prudish about my home being spotless but a little self pride in keeping it at least clean & tidy when I'm showing people around to view it. My partner & I are in the process of moving to a new home & in the photos we've seen in the property section have looked gorgeous & clean yet on arriving for a viewing it's the complete opposite. Dishes in the sink, clothes pouring from the laundry basket, animal fur everywhere, the grass overgrown blah blah blah. I can see past that but it's the damage done & seeing damp & mould that's harder to vision staying long-term in the property even though it's just rented accomodation. Then the ones showing us round are in their pj's, hair uncombed & their pets jumping up on us which my daughter's afraid of dogs so it's unsettling to her especially with her autism. Maybe in this day & age it's more acceptable to not worry on these things but it's just not for me!

Jumpingthruhoops · 25/02/2024 23:42

SocksAndTheCity · 25/02/2024 17:52

You forgot the massive televisions all with Sky. Go on, you know you want to.

That may also indeed be the case. It's the age-old thing of 'keeping up with the Joneses' - these days people are happy to let the basics slide as long as they can have the latest gadgets, trainers, Netflix.
Growing up, I knew several people who you'd think were skint looking in their kitchen cupboards - no food in whatsoever. But their houses were always kitted out with all the latest tech. I dare say little has changed. It's just about what people choose to spend their time, money and energy on.

WhatIsHeThinking · 25/02/2024 23:42

Yanbu.
Tidiness is free.
Washing liquid and hot water are pence.
A cloth, dustpan and brush a couple of pounds. There is no excuse.
People buy too much cheap rubbish they don’t have space for.

ZiriForGood · 25/02/2024 23:40

IloveAslan · 25/02/2024 22:39

Another person living overseas. I didn't live in a house with a shower until I was 18, before that we used a thing called a bath.

One thing I don't understand are why your energy charges seem so high? I have my oven on most days, sometimes twice, boil the jug numerous times a day, and do regular washing, not to mention have longish showers - all of which people are always suggesting use a lot of energy. In summer when I'm not using heating I have quite small electricity bills. (I know it's winter there atm, but even in winter I still do all those things).

It seems quite surreal to me as well - when I was a child, the UK was a kind of dream for me. Than I got there a few times and now I read MN and I can't stop wondering how they got to this state.

How I understand it, the biggest issue is heating and damp. Big part of the UK housing stock is quite old and not well insulated and people don't use wood/coal burners at homes much (yes, it has other disadvantages), which makes them very dependent on consumer prices of energies.

Energy prices has grown everywhere across Europe, but the UK seems to be coping worse than average.

madeinmanc · 25/02/2024 23:35

I assume they mean dog poo.

anxioussister · 25/02/2024 23:27

Babyroobs · 25/02/2024 14:32

Maybe the properties are currently rented in which case I can understand why people wouldn't make the effort, especially if they are being evicted for the property to be sold.
I definitely agree with you about people stinking. I have a very acute sense of smell and it makes me wretch sometimes. I think a lot of older people are struggling, a lot of people are struggling to heat homes adequately so clothing smells musty, there are a lot of people ( especially middle aged / older men) with drink problems and you can smell it on them.
People are also working all hours to survive and couples often both working full time to survive and pay increased mortgages, so not a lot of time left for cleaning. there are a lot of ill people - long covid/ fibro/ ME type conditions- perhaps people just don't have the energy?
As part of my work I go into a lot of people's homes, a lot of houses smell, have excrement stains on the floor, full of clutter and dirt. There are a lot of people struggling and overwhelmed right now.

Edited

A lot of houses have excrement stains on the floor..? What do you do?

Perhaps I’m totally naive but this seems utterly barbaric in a country / these people clearly need a lot more help than they are getting..?

Adelant · 25/02/2024 23:23

ZiriForGood · 25/02/2024 23:21

Lol.
At least two of her neighbours admire her clean recycling and told her and she told you about it.

I heard it all now.

Yep, why so jealous?

ZiriForGood · 25/02/2024 23:21

Adelant · 25/02/2024 22:58

Yep, my sister rents from a private landlord and she pays rent with housing benefit.

Her house is immaculate save where the rich landlord won’t fix issues.

Her recycling is so clean her neighbours admire it. Her bin is so clean it always look brand new inside, she washes it out with bleach.

Lol.
At least two of her neighbours admire her clean recycling and told her and she told you about it.

I heard it all now.

K0OLA1D · 25/02/2024 23:14

marmaladulation · 25/02/2024 22:00

Every time these threads come up I, ( as a non UK person) get flummoxed. Do you really not shower every day? Like get up , go to the loo, have a shower? I always thought the running theme about English people not washing was a joke, or at least from yesteryear. But it seems you really don't wash very often. Someone upthread was very proud that they washed "every other day"". How often are the rest of you washing? And what the hell is a stripwash? Is it standing in front of a sink and wiping yourself in places? WHY? Just jump in the shower.
I'm going to have to name change now aren't I ? Sorry. You do have a very pretty country though. And I am truly jealous of your lovely weather ( love the cold and rain). Are you really all so poor you can't heat your water for a few minutes? It's a wealthy country. Water can't be expensive - it rains all the time. Sorry, but to the rest of the world it seems a bit weird.
My apologies - do carry on. 😍Love the UK.

What a patronising load of waffle

Jeezypeepers · 25/02/2024 23:07

I wonder if some of it is due to more single men living alone, post divorce or never married. In years gone by women would have been trapped in relationships with less than ideal men and been doing all their washing and keeping their houses clean for them. Now that they're having to do it all themselves they do it poorly or not at all, either as they haven't been taught or are as lazy as they would have been prior to their poor wives getting rid of them.

Lovingthegrungerevival · 25/02/2024 23:06

marmaladulation · 25/02/2024 22:00

Every time these threads come up I, ( as a non UK person) get flummoxed. Do you really not shower every day? Like get up , go to the loo, have a shower? I always thought the running theme about English people not washing was a joke, or at least from yesteryear. But it seems you really don't wash very often. Someone upthread was very proud that they washed "every other day"". How often are the rest of you washing? And what the hell is a stripwash? Is it standing in front of a sink and wiping yourself in places? WHY? Just jump in the shower.
I'm going to have to name change now aren't I ? Sorry. You do have a very pretty country though. And I am truly jealous of your lovely weather ( love the cold and rain). Are you really all so poor you can't heat your water for a few minutes? It's a wealthy country. Water can't be expensive - it rains all the time. Sorry, but to the rest of the world it seems a bit weird.
My apologies - do carry on. 😍Love the UK.

Why would you need to name change? Kind of baffled by that. I'm guessing you're Australian.

Adelant · 25/02/2024 22:58

Crikeyalmighty · 25/02/2024 22:49

@SocksAndTheCity I was a bit perturbed about that too- we rent lovely family homes at a good level and my home looks way way better than many of my friends owned' houses. Less of the cliche please that we are all some kind of transient scum because we rent.

Yep, my sister rents from a private landlord and she pays rent with housing benefit.

Her house is immaculate save where the rich landlord won’t fix issues.

Her recycling is so clean her neighbours admire it. Her bin is so clean it always look brand new inside, she washes it out with bleach.

madeinmanc · 25/02/2024 22:58

I've often thought it would be a good thing for public bathhouses to make a come back, where you could have a wash, maybe a sauna and massage for a low cost.

Lovingthegrungerevival · 25/02/2024 22:55

I travel around Europe a lot and have noticed more people smelling than pre-Covid - it's definitiely not just the UK.

SocksAndTheCity · 25/02/2024 22:51

Good for you, @IloveAslan . Unfortunately I didn't grow up in a financial situation where we could afford to heat water for baths every day - putting the immersion on was something of an occasion.

Energy bills here in the UK are currently double to triple what they were a few years ago, and they weren't cheap then. Most people's income, incredibly, hasn't doubled or tripled to match it (or the increases in food prices, rent, travel and so on).

AngelinaFibres · 25/02/2024 22:51

Rubbishconfession · 25/02/2024 22:19

Name changed for this confession.

I’m in a corner terrace between 3 roads so I get everyone’s leaves and blown about recycling and mini glass liquor bottles.

Not only do I not sweep up the leaves and rubbish, I throw out the rubbish back on the road as a passive aggressive revenge to my neighbours who don’t secure their recycling.

I also put the glass bottles and beer cans that the locals dump into my garden onto the pavement.

Of course it all blows back in eventually

That is so depressing.

Frangipanyoul8r · 25/02/2024 22:51

I haven’t noticed this at all where I live in the south west.

Greysofa · 25/02/2024 22:50

JMSA · 25/02/2024 22:26

Shame used to be a key component of our society.

For some people, it is completely lacking.

And that, I believe, is the crux of it. Some people just don’t care anymore as there is always a reason (excuse) why, and if they aren’t making the excuses, then someone else is on their behalf.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 25/02/2024 22:49

There are many threads on here with people defensively justifying not washing regularly. They must be nose blind.

Many people definitely do look scruffier and smell ‘off’. I think it’s partly COL, but mainly post COVID standards.

Many people WFH more and have become lax with their clothes and hygiene. This has spilled over into their ‘outdoor’ lives. You can see it it at work. Most people used to take pride in their appearance in the office. Now some look like they just rolled out of bed and put back on the clothes on the floor from the day before.

Many people’s drinking got out of control during lockdown also, which is why they’ve become lazy with their appearance and stink even if they try and cover it up.

Crikeyalmighty · 25/02/2024 22:49

@SocksAndTheCity I was a bit perturbed about that too- we rent lovely family homes at a good level and my home looks way way better than many of my friends owned' houses. Less of the cliche please that we are all some kind of transient scum because we rent.

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