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To lose my temper at MIL

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SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 10:45

A while ago, we decided to give MIL the benefit of the doubt. She helped us out with IVF and has been trying her best to be nice after years of being rude, offensive, and judgmental towards me.

We've welcomed her into our home and she enjoys her new granddaughter.

Last time she visited at Christmas, she voiced her "concerns" that I was still breastfeeding my DD who was 13 months old, saying that there is no nutritional value and that cow's milk is better. This went on for half an hour and instead of getting angry, we calmly explained how she was wrong and milk has health benefits for 2 years and more if both mother and baby are still happy to do it. This was while she was sat right next to me as I was nursing.

Other things happened during that 3 day visit too, but I held myself in check to be nice. But I was very glad when she left.

Fast foward to last night and MIL phoned to say hi. DH had the phone on loudspeaker as he was cooking and he whispered "shall I tell her?" And i whispered back, "ok what's the worst she can say?"

So DH told MIL that I'd just had a miscarriage.

Well, I did say what's the worst she could say, didn't I?

The first thing out of her mouth was "oh no! Well you know it probably happened because OP is STILL breastfeeding".

I lost it at that point and told her that her comments were rude, offensive and wrong.

She said she was just being "dispassionate" about it.

I said we never asked for her to be dispassionate, we told her because she is interested in our lives and thought she would be sympathetic. Not blame me for my own miscarriage because I'm still breastfeeding!

After another half an hour on the phone, she finally backed down and apologised.

I'm typing on my phone so I can't open a poll, sorry!

AIBU to grey rock her from now on

Or should I have known better and expected her to say something awful, therefore it isn't her fault?

OP posts:
OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:26

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:21

Again, you are more than welcome to do your own research. It’s a controversial topic and many studies show an increased risk in MC when BF, it’s suspected to be down to oxytocin release when BF which has long been seen to reduce success in early pregnancy.

MIL is still an idiot for saying it, but isn’t an idiot for thinking it

You provided a link that you claimed supported your claim that the mil was correct. The link you provided did not support the mil's viewpoint. In fact, it showed that the approach the op is taking (bf plus other sources of food) had a lower rate of miscarriage than those who are not breastfeeding.

Do you have links to any research that supports your claim or are you going to carry on misrepresenting the research that exists?

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:23

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:21

Again, can I suggest you read the article you linked to. Doubling down on your incorrect interpretation of the article is just making you look ignorant.

That’s one article. There are many others honey.

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:23

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 11:20

used to be

the question isn’t asking if mil is right (she’s not) but how to respond after that comment. You are now using outdated information to kick op when she’s down. Have you had a miscarriage before, how would you feel being told it was your fault?

op please, please ignore the troll, some people are just awful. It is NOT your fault AT ALL. Please look after yourself.

Edited

Guidance only changed due to wanting to still promote BF rates, not because the risk was seen to not be there.

Facts are when breast feeding you release a lot of Oxytocin. Also facts are Oxytocin surges have been proven to have a negative impact on implantation and success in early pregnancy.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:21

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:16

The Op asked a question, facts are her MIL is a dick for saying it but not a dick for thinking it since there is a lot of research into this issue.

It used to be customary for women to be told to stop BF if miscarriages were an issue in future pregnancies as there is some suggestion the hormones released when BF prevent successful implantation

Again, can I suggest you read the article you linked to. Doubling down on your incorrect interpretation of the article is just making you look ignorant.

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:21

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:18

Not according to the link you provided. The paper you linked to shows highest rate of miscarriage in those EBF, next highest is those not breastfeeding and lowest rate of miscarriage is those using complementary food sources in addition to breastfeeding. Given the age of op's child, she is presumably feeding the child more than breast milk

Again, you are more than welcome to do your own research. It’s a controversial topic and many studies show an increased risk in MC when BF, it’s suspected to be down to oxytocin release when BF which has long been seen to reduce success in early pregnancy.

MIL is still an idiot for saying it, but isn’t an idiot for thinking it

Whiskeypowers · 25/02/2024 11:21

How many women are actively trying to conceive whilst exclusively breastfeeding a baby in the first six months of the baby’s life? That must be an exclusive club!

in any event regardless of the veracity of your MIL’s assertions @SwordToFlamethrower for her to even say this is in the context of your news is just incomprehensible. I don’t know her but best case scenario is she just has a bad case of thinking out loud but worst case it that she is just an appalling person with no emotional intelligence or compassion. Either way you don’t need her permission to establish much firmer boundaries or indeed drastically scale back the level of contact with her.

sorry for you loss too.

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 11:20

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:16

The Op asked a question, facts are her MIL is a dick for saying it but not a dick for thinking it since there is a lot of research into this issue.

It used to be customary for women to be told to stop BF if miscarriages were an issue in future pregnancies as there is some suggestion the hormones released when BF prevent successful implantation

used to be

the question isn’t asking if mil is right (she’s not) but how to respond after that comment. You are now using outdated information to kick op when she’s down. Have you had a miscarriage before, how would you feel being told it was your fault?

op please, please ignore the troll, some people are just awful. It is NOT your fault AT ALL. Please look after yourself.

SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 11:20

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This is nothing, she has said far worse to me!

OP posts:
Ewoklady · 25/02/2024 11:20

She was so wrong !!! So wrong it’s unreal. It doesn’t even matter what facts are there or not.. highly inappropriate not to sympathise with you and ask you if you need anything

Olika · 25/02/2024 11:20

I am sorry to hear of your MC. ❤️‍🩹 I would just go NC with MIL and she can speak with your DH if he is willing to take her calls.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:18

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:13

There are also increased risks regardless, it’s just higher when EBF.

Not according to the link you provided. The paper you linked to shows highest rate of miscarriage in those EBF, next highest is those not breastfeeding and lowest rate of miscarriage is those using complementary food sources in addition to breastfeeding. Given the age of op's child, she is presumably feeding the child more than breast milk

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:17

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 25/02/2024 11:16

@Dancingtuna have some bloody respect, she didn't ask for a debate she's asking for support.

An AIBU post says otherwise

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:16

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 11:15

@Dancingtuna what do you hope to gain from this? OP has had a miscarriage have some respect.

The Op asked a question, facts are her MIL is a dick for saying it but not a dick for thinking it since there is a lot of research into this issue.

It used to be customary for women to be told to stop BF if miscarriages were an issue in future pregnancies as there is some suggestion the hormones released when BF prevent successful implantation

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 25/02/2024 11:16

@Dancingtuna have some bloody respect, she didn't ask for a debate she's asking for support.

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 11:15

@Dancingtuna what do you hope to gain from this? OP has had a miscarriage have some respect.

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:15

PrueRamsay · 25/02/2024 10:56

Your “evidence “ relates to EBF which is pretty unlikely in OPs case.

I couldn’t forgive or forget @SwordToFlamethrower and wouldn’t want anything to do with her

Love how a factual comment with a link to a study is removed on here Grin

people asked for research and I merely gave one piece

there is plenty more out there, it’s a controversial subject and lots has been done around it over the past 20 years

Vousnepouvezpasdiscuteravecdesstupides · 25/02/2024 11:14

Picklestop · 25/02/2024 10:59

I have also spent a few minutes googling and found some articles saying it does and some saying it doesn’t. It certainly seems to be the case that in the past (possibly MIL’s generation) that women were advised to stop breastfeeding if they became pregnant, although it could be that this is outdated thinking now.

Actually, they used to think you couldn't get pregnant, so extending beast-feeding was used as 'contraception'.
Of course, pregancies while breastfeeding should have exploded the myth, but some still believe it

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:13

Justkeepswimmingswimming · 25/02/2024 10:56

This research say there is an increased risk when exclusively breasting feeding. The OP says her daughter was 13 months old at Christmas so she won’t be exclusively breast feeding.

There are also increased risks regardless, it’s just higher when EBF.

Frozensun · 25/02/2024 11:12

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 10:53

Google is available to everyone but here you go

“The miscarriage rate was higher when mothers exclusively breast-fed during pregnancy (35%)”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31524957/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10674114/
2023 Literature review.

“The results revealed that breastfeeding during pregnancy appeared to be unrelated to pregnancy outcome and miscarriage risk, notwithstanding the need for caution in women at risk of preterm birth and high-risk pregnancies.”

A quick google search means nothing unless there’s some rigour underpinning how results are framed.

And OP, I’d cut down the info train. MIL doesn’t need to know what’s going on in your life,

Breastfeeding During Pregnancy: A Systematic Review of the Literature

Objectives: Breastfeeding during pregnancy has unintended repercussions that have yet to be determined. Previous research employed various approaches and reached varied outcomes, with some emphasizing on advantages and others focusing on hazards. With...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10674114/

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:05

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 10:53

Google is available to everyone but here you go

“The miscarriage rate was higher when mothers exclusively breast-fed during pregnancy (35%)”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31524957/

So you didn't actually read the article you've linked to then?

If you had even read the abstract, never mind the whole article, it is clear that the increased rate of miscarriage is only evident when exclusively breastfeeding. Given the op's child is now 15 months I very much doubt the dc is being exclusively breastfed.

In fact, the article states that the rate of miscarriage is actually lower for those who practise complementary feeding (14%) than those not breast feeding at all (15%).

Galeforcewindatmywindow · 25/02/2024 11:03

Even if mil wrote a 'factual' book about her beliefs she should have kept her big gob shut...

LakieLady · 25/02/2024 11:00

As a general principle, I think it's always unreasonable to lose your temper.

But in this case, I think you were entirely justified. Your MIL is crass and insensitive.

So sorry for your loss.

Lovingitallnow · 25/02/2024 10:59

Google is available to everyone but pretty pointless if you don't actually read and comprehend what you google.

Picklestop · 25/02/2024 10:59

UnbelievableLie · 25/02/2024 10:52

@Dancingtuna please can you share these facts. I just spent a few minutes googling and all articles contradict that. So where is your info from?

I have also spent a few minutes googling and found some articles saying it does and some saying it doesn’t. It certainly seems to be the case that in the past (possibly MIL’s generation) that women were advised to stop breastfeeding if they became pregnant, although it could be that this is outdated thinking now.

PrueRamsay · 25/02/2024 10:56

This reply has been deleted

We are taking this down as is it not in the spirit of the site.

Your “evidence “ relates to EBF which is pretty unlikely in OPs case.

I couldn’t forgive or forget @SwordToFlamethrower and wouldn’t want anything to do with her

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