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To lose my temper at MIL

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SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 10:45

A while ago, we decided to give MIL the benefit of the doubt. She helped us out with IVF and has been trying her best to be nice after years of being rude, offensive, and judgmental towards me.

We've welcomed her into our home and she enjoys her new granddaughter.

Last time she visited at Christmas, she voiced her "concerns" that I was still breastfeeding my DD who was 13 months old, saying that there is no nutritional value and that cow's milk is better. This went on for half an hour and instead of getting angry, we calmly explained how she was wrong and milk has health benefits for 2 years and more if both mother and baby are still happy to do it. This was while she was sat right next to me as I was nursing.

Other things happened during that 3 day visit too, but I held myself in check to be nice. But I was very glad when she left.

Fast foward to last night and MIL phoned to say hi. DH had the phone on loudspeaker as he was cooking and he whispered "shall I tell her?" And i whispered back, "ok what's the worst she can say?"

So DH told MIL that I'd just had a miscarriage.

Well, I did say what's the worst she could say, didn't I?

The first thing out of her mouth was "oh no! Well you know it probably happened because OP is STILL breastfeeding".

I lost it at that point and told her that her comments were rude, offensive and wrong.

She said she was just being "dispassionate" about it.

I said we never asked for her to be dispassionate, we told her because she is interested in our lives and thought she would be sympathetic. Not blame me for my own miscarriage because I'm still breastfeeding!

After another half an hour on the phone, she finally backed down and apologised.

I'm typing on my phone so I can't open a poll, sorry!

AIBU to grey rock her from now on

Or should I have known better and expected her to say something awful, therefore it isn't her fault?

OP posts:
pinkyredrose · 25/02/2024 12:41

Hope you're ok OP. Don't tell her anything of a sensitive nature again, she's obviously mega judgmental and nasty with it.

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 12:35

SignoraVolpe · 25/02/2024 12:33

Op’s mil just had to say
’I'm sorry to hear this. It must be tough for you both.’

It’s not hard for mil to be sympathetic and keep her own ignorant views to herself.

Edited

Think @Dancingtuna needs to read this before posting anymore

SignoraVolpe · 25/02/2024 12:33

Op’s mil just had to say
’I'm sorry to hear this. It must be tough for you both.’

It’s not hard for mil to be sympathetic and keep her own ignorant views to herself.

Thriving30 · 25/02/2024 12:33

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:21

Again, you are more than welcome to do your own research. It’s a controversial topic and many studies show an increased risk in MC when BF, it’s suspected to be down to oxytocin release when BF which has long been seen to reduce success in early pregnancy.

MIL is still an idiot for saying it, but isn’t an idiot for thinking it

Your last sentence is key and is what the whole thread is about!! It isn't about whether MIL is right/wrong in her thinking it's about what she said, how she reacted to the MC!!
So why are you posting things trying to justify what she said? It's irrelevant
OP I am so sorry for your loss. I agree what she has said is unforgiveable. I also agree with what another poster said when they said you need to keep her at arm's length. She won't change.

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:30

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Thedance · 25/02/2024 12:25

What a horrible and completely ignorant thing to say.
I am very sorry for your loss. I can't give you any advice about your mother in law but she does sound both stupid and unkind.
And just to add my DD had two successful pregnancies while still breastfeeding.

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/02/2024 12:25

Again, why are you determined to ignore basic facts of biology?

If you've made a twat of yourself by posting a link that doesn't actually back up your claims, it's customary to slink off and consider a name-change. Doubling down just makes you look like you've a bit swivel-eyed and spittle-flecked.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 12:25

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:17

Again, why do you think IVF clinics in the UK tell women they have to have stopped BF 2-3 months before attempting a transfer?

They deem there to be a substantial risk otherwise it wouldn’t be on their very short list of things to avoid

There is an increased risk when exclusively breastfeeding. They err on the side of caution by stating no breastfeeding as it is easier to have a blanket ban than determining on a case by case basis when the threshold of supplementary feeding is met. Plus it's easier for their clients to understand a blanket ban.

Americano75 · 25/02/2024 12:24

Oh, that's wicked.

Nosleepforthismum · 25/02/2024 12:23

Ahh, just seen the much weirder update about MIL. Probably be pulling back a bit.

ElizabethCage · 25/02/2024 12:22

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:17

Again, why do you think IVF clinics in the UK tell women they have to have stopped BF 2-3 months before attempting a transfer?

They deem there to be a substantial risk otherwise it wouldn’t be on their very short list of things to avoid

Again
why are you determined to hurt someone suffering a loss? Keep your thoughts to yourself, you could have been so much nicer but you’ve just been rude and nasty.

Nosleepforthismum · 25/02/2024 12:20

Oh I’m sorry for your loss OP. I don’t know anything about the risks of breastfeeding on pregnancy but after reading the comments it sounds as though it may have been the advice given some time ago to MIL. She absolutely shouldn’t have said it but it sounds like it was a bit of a knee jerk response to your DH telling her. Also, this may not apply to your MIL, but I know some people of her generation who aren’t particularly understanding of miscarriages particularly if they are early on in the pregnancy. I have one relative who told me she’d had multiple miscarriages and she was just expected to get on with stuff if it happened and she doesn’t now understand the fuss around them. Sad because she clearly was never allowed to grieve her losses but she’s fallen out with a couple of family members because of her views.

I wouldn’t go NC with her. I’d accept she said something incredibly hurtful but she did apologise and if you have an otherwise good relationship with her I would put it behind me but keep your private medical details private.

SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 12:20

My toddler isn't exclusively breastfed and hasnt been for about 8 months. She nurses occasionally, on demand for snacks mainly and eats 3 meals a day, as recommended by the NHS and WHO.

OP posts:
Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:17

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 12:13

While those of us who are actually capable of reading and understanding very basic information in scientific articles would think you are ignorant.

Again, why do you think IVF clinics in the UK tell women they have to have stopped BF 2-3 months before attempting a transfer?

They deem there to be a substantial risk otherwise it wouldn’t be on their very short list of things to avoid

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 12:13

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:11

I’d not say it but I’d think it Confused

As would anyone with common sense

While those of us who are actually capable of reading and understanding very basic information in scientific articles would think you are ignorant.

SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 12:13

CatamaranViper · 25/02/2024 11:55

OP did not ask if she was being unreasonable to breastfeed while TTC/pregnant.
OP did not ask if she caused her own miscarriage.
OP did not ask if her MIL was factual.

OP asked if she was unreasonable to have lost her temper at someone who blamed her for her own miscarriage when she is clearly still grieving.

If one of your friends came to you having suffered a miscarriage, would you blame them for it?

Yes exactly. I didn't ask my MIL if I should stop breastfeeding my toddler, I told her we we grieving the loss of an unexpected but wanted pregnancy.

She has a massive issue with breastfeeding in general.

She once said that any woman who bf past 12 months is a sick pervert who gets off on it, sexually.

She came to see us and tried to shame me into quitting because it will cause growth issues and developmental delays if I continue.

Now she has tried to blame my breastfeeding on losing a baby.

She has form for being a bully only lately she doesn't actually shout at me, she still is a bully, but uses a sickly sweet voice, pretending to be "concerned" when really, she has an anti breastfeeding agenda.

She once called her own nipples "two extra clitorises". So she actually thinks that breastfeeding is sexually pleasurable.

OP posts:
SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 25/02/2024 12:13

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 10:53

Google is available to everyone but here you go

“The miscarriage rate was higher when mothers exclusively breast-fed during pregnancy (35%)”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31524957/

Read it fully.

Associated risks are fully explained.

Don't be a Muppet!

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:12

banananas1999 · 25/02/2024 11:51

Its any nursing, as long as milk is being produced, the hormones are present. As mentioned above ivf clinics would not start any treatment until its been 3 months no nursing at all. Some womens are more sensitive than others

Thank you, finally someone with a little sense

IVF clinics across the country wouldn’t tell women not to BF for no reason

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 12:11

CatamaranViper · 25/02/2024 11:55

OP did not ask if she was being unreasonable to breastfeed while TTC/pregnant.
OP did not ask if she caused her own miscarriage.
OP did not ask if her MIL was factual.

OP asked if she was unreasonable to have lost her temper at someone who blamed her for her own miscarriage when she is clearly still grieving.

If one of your friends came to you having suffered a miscarriage, would you blame them for it?

I’d not say it but I’d think it Confused

As would anyone with common sense

Catopia · 25/02/2024 12:08

I don't think it matters if MIL was correct or incorrect on the associated risks, it was a dispassionate response in that moment, and her thoughts and input on the topic were not invited.

Before making a big decision about going NC with her, consider fully the impact on your DD and her future family life, and also on your DH of that decision. Now that your DD has a relationship with your MIL, there will be a loss there. Do not make this decision when you are acutely hurt and grieving - let things settle.

It may be that a simple "Whilst I note your concerns, I will be taking medical advice about what is best for my and my daughter's health and development only from my doctor/s, midwife and health visitor, and do not seek any additional input at this time." may suffice. Your partner has to be fully on board with this - you cannot take this position and then have him calling his mum up for any sort of related health/parenting advice. Either her opinion is invited or it isn't, full stop, or she will not get the message.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/02/2024 11:56

banananas1999 · 25/02/2024 11:51

Its any nursing, as long as milk is being produced, the hormones are present. As mentioned above ivf clinics would not start any treatment until its been 3 months no nursing at all. Some womens are more sensitive than others

Well, according to the study linked to by a pp, mixed feeding has a lower risk of miscarriage than not breastfeeding.

CatamaranViper · 25/02/2024 11:55

Dancingtuna · 25/02/2024 11:29

The OP asked if she was being unreasonable, did she not?

OP did not ask if she was being unreasonable to breastfeed while TTC/pregnant.
OP did not ask if she caused her own miscarriage.
OP did not ask if her MIL was factual.

OP asked if she was unreasonable to have lost her temper at someone who blamed her for her own miscarriage when she is clearly still grieving.

If one of your friends came to you having suffered a miscarriage, would you blame them for it?

SwordToFlamethrower · 25/02/2024 11:51

banananas1999 · 25/02/2024 11:47

OP, if you have had mcs have a look on Tommys website about progesterone prescription- 400-800mg a day reduced mcs by 40 percent in the first trimester. print it out and take it to your doctor, so if you get pos again, you can call up and start progesterone immediately, it also reduces early labour risk in second and third trimester

Yes, I am aware of this and had some spare progesterone from my IVF rounds, which i started taking as soon as I got my BFP, but it ended very quickly anyway.

Thank you for commenting thiugh because someone might read it and not know about it. It all helps!

OP posts:
banananas1999 · 25/02/2024 11:51

Station11 · 25/02/2024 11:46

If you look at the most recent meta-analysis, they included two studies which found and increased risk and three which didn't. (Table 2)
https://www.maedica.ro/articles/2023/3/2023_18(21)_No3_pg463-469.pdf
Even the ones which did, the increased risk was mainly EBF which the OP is unlikely to be doing at 15 months.

Personally, I think anyone is mad to choose to breastfeed for longer than 6 months, but it's none of your mother in law's business and your DH needs to be telling her that.

Its any nursing, as long as milk is being produced, the hormones are present. As mentioned above ivf clinics would not start any treatment until its been 3 months no nursing at all. Some womens are more sensitive than others

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 25/02/2024 11:50

@Dancingtuna stop being a troll. A ivf clinic wouldn't blame a woman for a miscarriage, so why are you so desperate to?
No wonder people are leaving MN is droves with people like you on here. Just plain nasty.

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