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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:53

Createausername1970 · 24/02/2024 10:17

Can't believe some of the replies!

Basically you are trying to advocate for an SEN child in foster care (because mum is seriously unwell) and the FC is ignoring requests from mum and SW. SEN child is mostly non-verbal so cannot say whether he is comfortable with a particular situation, but as a family member who knows the child, you recognise tell-tale signs that he is not comfortable.

That is the gist of the situation?

You have had good advice about making a formal complaint. But I would also want to know the reason the FC keeps doing what she has been asked not to do. There may be a valid reason, but FC needs to explain.

Yes, exactly. And I have definitely taken that from this thread instead of asking her not to do it we first need to find out why she is!

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Jellycatspyjamas · 24/02/2024 12:53

It's obviously impossible for you to look after this child. Nobody has any business telling you that you should do so. But someone needs to, and you can't expect to micromanage how that person does it.

Its not micromanaging to expect the foster carer to dress the child in the way his mum would chose to, mum has the right to expect the foster carer to respect her wishes for her child and indeed has a duty to do so.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:50

Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:15

Parents who have their kids taken into care for any reason will often feel very powerless and as if they’re already failing their children even if it’s beyond their control like in the case of the OPs relative who sadly has cancers.

Unnecessary actions like this which is causing discomfort for their child can be especially upsetting for the bio parents as they already feel a bit helpless.

It’s a very delicate time for the children too and whereby another kid might not remember incidents like this, for a child in care the stress of the “hot tights” they kept being made to wear may form a big part of their early years memory.

I’m speaking as a former social services professional ( educator for children in care working alongside SWs) and as a care experienced adult who spent a year in privately arranged kinship care as a 4 year old.

Yes, this is so accurate. It might seem petty but his mum hates the fact the FC doesn't put him in matching clothes. She won't put the same tracksuit bottoms on with the top she just puts any old one on. This kills his mum because she wants to be the one dressing him and making him look 'nice.' But she has to tell herself it doesn't matter as long as he is comfortable. But it's hard.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 24/02/2024 12:47

Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

No it doesn’t, parents don’t lose parental responsibility when their children are in foster care. That’s a separate legal process and only comes into play when there needs to be a permanent arrangement for the child.

Children can go into foster care when parents are incapacitated through illness, which the OP has repeatedly said is the case here, and in such a situation the parent retains parental rights and responsibilities.

. @TotoroElla the foster carer should be listening to the child’s mum and the social worker and dressing the child appropriately. The mum can raise this formally through their social worker or at the next review and, if not listened to, can follow the formal complains process.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:46

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:14

Read the thread ffs.

I presume you are lucky enough to be surrounded by friends and family with plenty of money and space and time? So if you get cancer you can just ring up aunty Ann two doors down and everything will be hunky dory?

There are lots of single mums in the country who couldn’t magic up a family member or friend to take in a disabled 4 year old full time, on an on going basis.

Im sure the mother wishes the boy was with granny- but there isn’t one. I’m sure the op would prefer the child was with her- but he can’t be because she has 2 disabled children already.

I do wish he was with me. I feel so guilty he isn't 😞 And we are scared about if he is ok with the FC. We can't stand the thought of him being unhappy.

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isitshe · 24/02/2024 12:45

What the holy hell is wrong with posters like
@amylou8
@Tatonka and
@lovelysoap
who seem to be incapable of reading the OP’s previous comments? It takes one tap to filter the updates!
I’m finding it incredibly frustrating reading these gormless, ignorant, and deeply insensitive comments.
@TotoroElla you are doing incredibly well to keep your cool and reply with dignity!

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:43

User373433 · 24/02/2024 10:13

I think it is loud and clear your reasons are you think it's undignified because they are for girls only. Which is utter nonsense. Plenty of boys tights available, look at H&M and other European brands. I wonder if the foster carer is putting them on him for dignity, to cover up the fact he is 4 and still in nappies? Maybe it stops him undoing his nappy? It's a common thing to do with SEN children who poo smear for eg.

Oh for god's sake. I've not once given the opinion they are only for girls. I have said I know it is common in cold countries for boys to wear tights.

He wears a vest. We have never had the need to put him in tights. The answer anyway isn't to make him hot and uncomfortable.

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CecilyP · 24/02/2024 12:41

Lucytheloose · 24/02/2024 12:07

You seem very over-invested in what someone else's child wears. And no, it won't turn him gay.

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, it gets worse!

Thank goodness OP is just a friend of the boy’s mum and not the mum hirself!

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:37

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:09

Right, so as well as the mother being bad for having cancer, the op is a bad aunty for having 2 disabled children and not having the capacity to parent a third?

Yep...some people seem to enjoy kicking others when they are down.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:36

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

I would say cancer is pretty rock bottom. No, mum still has parental responsibility.

SWs have worked with us for a long time to keep the DC safe? What are you even talking about??

His mum is having treatment. What more can she do? And we are focusing on the needs of the child not to be miserable and uncomfortable!

We are facing up to the cancer. What work do you suggest we do with the FC and SW that will help get rid of it?? 😞

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:29

MumTeacherofMany · 24/02/2024 10:08

If he's wearing them under trousers like you said what 3 year olds are laughing at them lol? Honestly? I agree it is unnecessary though, it's fairly mild for February

I've not said any 3 yos are laughing at him. I specifically said I didn't think it would happen.

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rainbowunicorn · 24/02/2024 12:28

Lucytheloose · 24/02/2024 12:07

You seem very over-invested in what someone else's child wears. And no, it won't turn him gay.

Read the OP and stop being a dick. 18 pages in and a comment like this just makes you look incredibly stupid.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:27

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 10:08

Honestly, I don’t believe the boy is as hot and uncomfortable as OP claims. She started off by saying that boys don’t wear tights and even the SW says it’s undignified, but after posters said otherwise, she started to focus on his comfort and his discomfort has gotten worse as the thread has progressed.

And you don't believe he's hot at 10c?! I have an under-active thyroid and I'd be way too hot and uncomfortable in tights and trousers. Then take a little boy - would be even more uncomfortable for them. Then one that runs hot...

It's clear why he is hot but you just want to focus on your ideas about tights for boys....

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Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 24/02/2024 12:26

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:21

Read my posts then, FFS! I need to 'step-up' do I? Where exactly do I put this little boy? I have no spare room/space in other bedrooms for him. I also know it would be too much for me to care for 3 disabled DC and me being mentally well to look after my DC and to support this little boy and his mum is the most important thing.

It's obviously impossible for you to look after this child. Nobody has any business telling you that you should do so. But someone needs to, and you can't expect to micromanage how that person does it.

rainbowunicorn · 24/02/2024 12:26

SENDhelp2023 · 24/02/2024 12:03

Why don’t you look after him if mum is ill? No problem then

WHy don't you read the OPs posts and you will see why that is not possible?

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:23

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 10:08

Honestly, I don’t believe the boy is as hot and uncomfortable as OP claims. She started off by saying that boys don’t wear tights and even the SW says it’s undignified, but after posters said otherwise, she started to focus on his comfort and his discomfort has gotten worse as the thread has progressed.

I didn't say that atall.

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snoopyfanaccountant · 24/02/2024 12:22

Too many people here are refusing to acknowledge that the child here is non-verbal so can't explain how he is feeling. The tights are causing him to become too hot which is distressing him. His mum must be carrying enough guilt that through no fault of hers she is unable to look after him at the moment without being accused of having taken away from her.

This really is a big issue for this family.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:21

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Read my posts then, FFS! I need to 'step-up' do I? Where exactly do I put this little boy? I have no spare room/space in other bedrooms for him. I also know it would be too much for me to care for 3 disabled DC and me being mentally well to look after my DC and to support this little boy and his mum is the most important thing.

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quitefranklyabsurd · 24/02/2024 12:20

The focus isnt the tights people!
its the fact that the foster career is going against the wishes of the parents. And no that is not ok.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 24/02/2024 12:19

wizzywig · 24/02/2024 11:28

Is there a reason why you can't look after him op?

there is. OP has ready explained…

and that truly isn’t the topic of this thread!

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:17

TooOldForThisNonsense · 24/02/2024 10:03

Why is the FC ignoring the instruction from SW? That’s the biggest issue surely

I really don't know.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:16

BimBimBaloo · 24/02/2024 10:03

Then 100% push for the Supervising social worker to take this up with the foster carer.

I'd there a reason why the child is with a foster carer and not with a kinship/ family and friends carer?

Because there is no kinship carer available.

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converseandjeans · 24/02/2024 12:15

@TotoroElla

That's really strange then if she is British. I've honestly never seen a boy - even a baby one - wearing tights. People are getting really worked up about the fact you don't want him in girls clothes. However I have also never seen a girl in tights under trousers. It's usually tights with a dress or skirt or maybe some denim shorts.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:14

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:02

Not to mention he's in foster care, so maybe the mother should be concerned about that rather than the poor foster parent who's obviously doing her best trying to look after her child!

She is concerned about him being in FC! Why wouldn't she be? So she shouldn't advocate for her vulnerable DS because the 'poor' FC is doing her best. So ok for DS to suffer? I honestly can't believe some people think like that!

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TheOriginalEmu · 24/02/2024 12:12

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 01:09

We did wonder if speaking to the FC's SW would help?

Yes. I would. Your concerns are valid.

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