Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

635 replies

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

OP posts:
furryfrontbottom · 24/02/2024 13:54

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:50

Yes, this is so accurate. It might seem petty but his mum hates the fact the FC doesn't put him in matching clothes. She won't put the same tracksuit bottoms on with the top she just puts any old one on. This kills his mum because she wants to be the one dressing him and making him look 'nice.' But she has to tell herself it doesn't matter as long as he is comfortable. But it's hard.

I really don't understand how someone who has cancer can have the headspace to think about non-matching clothes.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:53

Illbefinejustbloodyfine · 24/02/2024 11:14

It's a complete non issue for me. Why is it upsetting?

Because the little boy is distressed by it.

OP posts:
Soontobe60 · 24/02/2024 13:51

Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:43

don’t go after a selfless person who fosters other peoples children because of an item of clothing she puts them in.

I wouldn’t assume someone is a good or selfless person because they are foster carers. In my experience there were some outstanding foster carers who made me tear up when I saw how amazing they were and what an Impact they made on the children, but there were also some who clearly done it purely for the money.

I also grew up with a girl who has recently received a significant amount of compensation for the abuse she suffered in two of her foster care placements.

Again to be clear there are great foster carers also but I can’t assume they’re all selfish lovely humans who put the children’s needs first.

This in bucketfuls! The best FCs I have worked with managed to foster a family of 4 siblings who had had what can only be described as a feral start in life, nurtured them in such a positive way that all 4 siblings as adults still choose to live with / nearby the FCs and consider them their parents. On the other hand, I have had to attend safeguarding CP conferences where the FC decided to employ what can only be considered to be abusive punishments when the child ‘misbehaved’, including making them stand in the corner facing the wall for hours, depriving them of meals if they didn’t eat their previous meal and so on.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:51

ilovesushi · 24/02/2024 11:07

Op, so sorry to hear about your situation. Sending good wishes to you and your family. xxx

Thank you so much

OP posts:
TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:50

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 11:06

@TathingScinsel 😍That website! 'compression and hug sensation'
There's official terminology for something I've always searched out but struggled to describe aloud to others without sounding batshit.

It's why weighted blankets are so popular with those who are autistic.

OP posts:
theduchessofspork · 24/02/2024 13:50

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:50

Yes, this is so accurate. It might seem petty but his mum hates the fact the FC doesn't put him in matching clothes. She won't put the same tracksuit bottoms on with the top she just puts any old one on. This kills his mum because she wants to be the one dressing him and making him look 'nice.' But she has to tell herself it doesn't matter as long as he is comfortable. But it's hard.

It must be terribly hard on your sister, but this illustrates the point really.

The FC presumably has a few kids to look after. You have to assume she’s doing her best. If she thinks he’s chilly and needs tights then when he is in her care it is her call. It’s not for the SW to get involved in basic care, and her comment that it’s undignified is silly.

I can imagine you are also distressed OP, but the best thing you can do for everyone, including your sister and nephew is defuse the situation. It is simply not a big deal.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:46

TathingScinsel · 24/02/2024 11:02

Here’s a 6 year old thread of autistic adult women discussing the sensory issues that tights can create.

it’s entirely probable that this poor little non-verbal boy is experiencing lots of the same uncomfortable sensations.

I’d use this sort of info as a basis to tackle the FC (via the SW):

https://www.autismforums.com/threads/sensory-issues-freaking-tights.22354/

Thank you and yep we hate tights here too so he may well be experiencing this too.

OP posts:
ChooseYourOwnHistory · 24/02/2024 13:30

My son would take his sock and shoes off almost every time he wa in the buggy even in the coldest weather so he wore tights for a year and when he started walking he went back into socks and shoes

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 13:25

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 24/02/2024 12:26

It's obviously impossible for you to look after this child. Nobody has any business telling you that you should do so. But someone needs to, and you can't expect to micromanage how that person does it.

You absolutely can and should expect FCers to work within the legal framework of their role.

That is to fulfil the needs of the child (which she is failing to do by making him hot, uncomfortable and itchy- and by ignoring his expressing he doesn’t want them on),

To listen to the wishes of the mother unless it’s a safeguarding concern- She is failing to do this. The FC doesn’t have PR, the mum does.

To be guided by the and take instruction from the SW’s involved- she is failing to do this.

The FC is being paid thousands of pounds by the state to do a job- she is obliged legally and morally to do this within the guidelines.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:25

Bushmillsbabe · 24/02/2024 11:01

Just out of interest, where is the Foster carer from? I work in a SEN school and the child who have parents if eastern European descent almost always come in with tights/leggings on under their trousers, even on quite warm spring/autumn days.
Depending on what type if SEN he has (neurodiverse/ physical disability) parents perceive that their child with a physical disability will cold as be moving less, could that be a factor?
You say he is unable to express himself, so maybe FC worries about him not being able to say he us cold so goes for extra layers. Although same goes for being too hot. If the nursery think he is too warm, surely they can just take them off him, and put on for hometime.
FC do not have to follow parents requests if they do not feel in child's best interests, but they are supossed to follow SW guidance.
Is he still in nappies, are they being used to hold this on? Maybe some cycling shorts might be a better option for this

If family have concerns about the FC, could they look after the child instead, as a familiar person?

Edited

I don't know where she is from but this could be the reason. He does not have a physical disability so is moving lots. I believe that is what nursery do. He wears vests that hold the nappy in place.

Unfortunately, having these concerns doesn't magic up extra room in my house or stop me already having 2 SEN DC.

OP posts:
TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:20

Funnily enough I remember my DS at karate age 5 being asked by another boy why he was wearing 'girls socks' - just because his socks were white!

OP posts:
Samlewis96 · 24/02/2024 13:20

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

The mum is undergoing treatment for cancer Not sure how she can deal with the " issues" that led to him being in care . Am sure she'd rather not be going through this

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:19

Miyagi99 · 24/02/2024 11:00

I wear tights or long johns under my clothes nearly all winter. I find it odd kids (at 4 too) would know how he was wearing them at all or even knowing that they’re ‘for girls’ - which they’re not exclusively btw.

That makes me ill thinking of wearing tights under trousers! I don't think we're a tights wearing family!

There are Dc who are told very early on that certain things are only for girls.

OP posts:
TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:15

TathingScinsel · 24/02/2024 10:56

Lots of SEN girls hate tights too. I think they are a very love or hate item for people (especially children) with sensory sensitivity, not much middle ground.

It’s such an oft-observed phenomenon that specialist products exist eg: https://sensorysmart.co.uk/collections/seamless-tights-cotton?grid_list=grid-view

Joggers are often a very acceptable clothing choice for ASD children, plus they are cheap to buy and easy to wash - seems to me they are an obvious start point for the sensory sensitive, whereas tights are an obvious avoid-unless-compulsory for school uniform item!

Seems like the FC is making everyone miserable for no good practical reason at all.

My DD is one of them. Never wears tights.

OP posts:
Abouttimeforanamechange · 24/02/2024 13:15

However I have also never seen a girl in tights under trousers.

Tights under trousers used to be recommended against for girls and women, the reason was that the extra layers led to warm moist conditions which allowed yeast infections to take hold. (I don't know if this is still the case.)

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:13

RosaBaby2 · 24/02/2024 10:55

Haven't read the full thread.

Tights are not 'undifnified' at any age for either sex.

Does he wear vests, as if still in nappies maybe the FC is using the tights to hold his nappy up?

If the child is too hot nursery should be saying something to the carer.

Hope mum gets better soon, must be so hard for her.

Yes, he wears vests. Nursery may have said something, I don't know.

Thank you.

OP posts:
Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 13:13

Lucytheloose · 24/02/2024 12:07

You seem very over-invested in what someone else's child wears. And no, it won't turn him gay.

So, if this was your sister who had cancer and was distressed about this, and your nephew who wasn’t having his needs met in foster care, you would be totally uninterested? Wouldn’t give a shit?

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:11

Haveyoubrushedyourteeth · 24/02/2024 10:51

Bloody hell I don't think I've ever read a nastier thread on here! Some of you posters should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

I just can't imagine how hard this is for you all OP, I think in your shoes I'd be focusing on the too hot issues (I still remember how sweaty and itchy wooly tights are, especially behind the knees, and I only ever wore them with dresses) But I'd also try and appeal to the compassion of the FC. Mum has so much to worry about, and is going through so much that something as simple as no tights would make a massive difference to her. She's got so little control over what's happening to him, or herself, and this is such an easy fix that any decent human being would do it unless there was an essential reason not to such as smearing etc in which case I'd send him with thin leggings for underneath to at least stop the itchiness.

Sending love to you all. The way you've kept your cool on here with such unpleasantness is exemplary. I hope things improve very soon.

Thank you so much.

OP posts:
TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:09

Thelnebriati · 24/02/2024 10:44

Having standards for foster carers isn't 'going after' them. If you think there should be any kind of sacred caste working around children, you need to take another safeguarding course.

Absolutely agree!

OP posts:
Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 13:09

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:46

I do wish he was with me. I feel so guilty he isn't 😞 And we are scared about if he is ok with the FC. We can't stand the thought of him being unhappy.

Of course you wish you could do more, but you are doing what you can. Supporting the mum and advocating for the child. Try not to feel guilty (I know that’s easily said but difficult to do).

I adore my nephews and nieces, but I couldn’t take them in in your situation- I am disabled, I have a disabled child and I just don’t have the capacity to do it- many many families would be in the same situation. That’s why this type of FC exists.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:07

Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:43

don’t go after a selfless person who fosters other peoples children because of an item of clothing she puts them in.

I wouldn’t assume someone is a good or selfless person because they are foster carers. In my experience there were some outstanding foster carers who made me tear up when I saw how amazing they were and what an Impact they made on the children, but there were also some who clearly done it purely for the money.

I also grew up with a girl who has recently received a significant amount of compensation for the abuse she suffered in two of her foster care placements.

Again to be clear there are great foster carers also but I can’t assume they’re all selfish lovely humans who put the children’s needs first.

While I'm sure most FC are great, I think it is dangerous to dismiss any concerns raised. I have a friend who was abused by her foster carer. (Not suggesting this FC is abusive.)

OP posts:
Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 13:03

CecilyP · 24/02/2024 12:41

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, it gets worse!

Thank goodness OP is just a friend of the boy’s mum and not the mum hirself!

Edited

Her friend has cancer. Honestly, some of these posts need to be deleted. My mum died from cancer last year please check yourself and remove this nasty post.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 13:03

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 24/02/2024 10:33

And some people wonder why there is a shortage of foster carers.

So we shouldn't advocate for this vulnerable DC because their is a shortage of FCs? If a family making a reasonable request of a FC makes them not want to foster them perhaps they shouldn't be doing it in the first place?(Not saying this is relevant to our FC, at all.)

OP posts:
TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 12:58

snoopyfanaccountant · 24/02/2024 10:29

OP, just another thought; has the nursery said anything to the FC about the tights? They are obviously dealing with this on a day to day basis and seeing his discomfort. You say that they remove the tights but put them back on for him to go home. Could his DM not ask that they don't put them back on and tell the FC that they are having to remove them because he is too hot?

He only goes to nursery twice a week currently. I actually don't know what is happening at nursery. I just have seen a photo of him there in bare feet, suggesting they take them off.

OP posts:
Jouleigh · 24/02/2024 12:58

I thought the same about my adult children and teenagers it's thing at the moment. I think try look quite comfy and easy to wash and dry too

Swipe left for the next trending thread