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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 16:17

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 13:09

Of course you wish you could do more, but you are doing what you can. Supporting the mum and advocating for the child. Try not to feel guilty (I know that’s easily said but difficult to do).

I adore my nephews and nieces, but I couldn’t take them in in your situation- I am disabled, I have a disabled child and I just don’t have the capacity to do it- many many families would be in the same situation. That’s why this type of FC exists.

Thank you for understanding.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 16:13

Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 13:03

Her friend has cancer. Honestly, some of these posts need to be deleted. My mum died from cancer last year please check yourself and remove this nasty post.

I'm sorry about your mum 😔 I'm so scared about what will happen...

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 16:08

isitshe · 24/02/2024 12:45

What the holy hell is wrong with posters like
@amylou8
@Tatonka and
@lovelysoap
who seem to be incapable of reading the OP’s previous comments? It takes one tap to filter the updates!
I’m finding it incredibly frustrating reading these gormless, ignorant, and deeply insensitive comments.
@TotoroElla you are doing incredibly well to keep your cool and reply with dignity!

Thank you 😊

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HarrietPierce · 24/02/2024 15:59

" Is the child happy to be wearing them?"

No he's not.

Northernnight · 24/02/2024 15:55

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:36

Perhaps you are not able to ascertain that I answered the OP, in that message asking for suggestions cancer treatment was not mentioned. Feel free to continue the reactionary condescension elsewhere, thanks.

The OP mentioned cancer diagnosis and treatment way before you rocked up with your ‘making necessary changes” nonsense.

Wetblanket78 · 24/02/2024 15:52

My ex used to wear them under work trousers if working outside. It's to keep them warmer over winter. Is the child happy to be wearing them? I could understand if their going to the park or going to be outdoors all day over winter. She might be doing it to reduce her heating costs as well.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:36

rainbowunicorn · 24/02/2024 15:30

What do you mean that the mother is not making the changes needed? I doubt she can do very much about having cancer and needing treatment so what is it she should be doing, what changes should she be making?

Perhaps you are not able to ascertain that I answered the OP, in that message asking for suggestions cancer treatment was not mentioned. Feel free to continue the reactionary condescension elsewhere, thanks.

rainbowunicorn · 24/02/2024 15:30

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 14:18

It could be a sensory thing and may provide a compression feeling which some like. I agree with PP if social worker has requested not dressing in tights I'd expect that to be respected but why is the mother focusing on criticising the foster carer instead of making the changes needed. Seems odd and sad too. Hope things improve soon.

What do you mean that the mother is not making the changes needed? I doubt she can do very much about having cancer and needing treatment so what is it she should be doing, what changes should she be making?

Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 15:26

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:22

Ok, interesting. Enjoy your day. Goodbye.

Don't feel silly we all make mistakes.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:22

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 15:13

I wouldn’t,

except I’ve read the op’s posts where she has clearly stated he doesn’t want to wear them, they make him hot, uncomfortable, blotchy and itchy, and irritable. The nursery, his SW, and his mother all agree he doesn’t need them.

That’s how reading comprehension works- read the information on offer and then you will know things!

Ok, interesting. Enjoy your day. Goodbye.

SillySeal · 24/02/2024 15:19

I haven't been able to read the whole thread so sorry if this had already been covered.

I am a FC, my best advice to you would be to send an email so you have a paper trail to the CSW asking why the FC seems to insist on the child being in tights and your concerns. If you deem the response to be unacceptable then ask the CSW to explain to the foster child the BM wishes for the tights to not be used anymore -again in writing. If this doesn't stop, email the CSW manager and explain everything thats happened. If you get no further then the next stop would be to contact the IRO. Just make sure you have a paper trail. Everybody working/ part of social services needs a paper trail to back yourselves up. Or you may even get an answer you understand but I think not knowing why she's doing this is what's causing an issue.

Unless there is a really valid reason they are putting tights on under his trousers, the FC should be taking mums wishes into account. It helps build a good relationship between BM and FC, which is only a good thing for the child.

To me it seems a bit strange if he's not cold and uses vests that keep his nappy up anyway that he would be wearing tights. Personally I don't think it's undignified, just unnecessary from the comments you've made as he seems too hot. It's not a difficult thing to change, even if the offer is just of a compromise to not put him in them on contact days.

Good luck

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 15:13

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:07

JFC take a break. How would you know what the child needs?!!!!!

I wouldn’t,

except I’ve read the op’s posts where she has clearly stated he doesn’t want to wear them, they make him hot, uncomfortable, blotchy and itchy, and irritable. The nursery, his SW, and his mother all agree he doesn’t need them.

That’s how reading comprehension works- read the information on offer and then you will know things!

PTSDBarbiegirl · 24/02/2024 15:07

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 14:25

THE MOTHER HAS CANCER- she is having chemotherapy to “make the changes needed”.

The kid doesn’t want or need tights.

Ffs read the thread before sprouting utter bollocks.

JFC take a break. How would you know what the child needs?!!!!!

nocoolnamesleft · 24/02/2024 15:07

I think this thread would have gone rather differently if the first post had only talked about comfort, not the bollocks about gendered clothing, had mentioned his additional needs, and had explained that the background was not neglect but rather severe illness in the child's mother. But so many people haven't read the OP's updates. Of course tights can be fine on a boy. Of course he deserves to be comfortable. Of course extra attention has to be paid to that in a child who can't verbalise. And of course a mum too ill to care full time for her own child can still care for his comfort.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:58

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 24/02/2024 12:26

It's obviously impossible for you to look after this child. Nobody has any business telling you that you should do so. But someone needs to, and you can't expect to micromanage how that person does it.

As I've explained we do not micromanage, we bite out tongues. The FC does however try to micromanage - sends lists of instructions in the contact book.

This is an issue of the DC's welfare. He should not be left suffering through fear of micromanaging.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:53

converseandjeans · 24/02/2024 12:15

@TotoroElla

That's really strange then if she is British. I've honestly never seen a boy - even a baby one - wearing tights. People are getting really worked up about the fact you don't want him in girls clothes. However I have also never seen a girl in tights under trousers. It's usually tights with a dress or skirt or maybe some denim shorts.

Yes, it is not common here for girls to wear tights under trousers. They wear them with skirts, dresses, shorts, as you say. I've not really talked to her much so she may have a background from Eastern Europe, perhaps.

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BimBimBaloo · 24/02/2024 14:50

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:07

The reason is not everyone has an abundance of family and friends who would be able to take in a disabled 4 year old full time for an unknown length of time.

As a fostering social worker, I'm deeply aware of that, I was trying to establish with the OP if there was any alternative care options if the foster carer continues to add further stress to the mother going through a very difficult time.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:49

Lucytheloose · 24/02/2024 12:07

You seem very over-invested in what someone else's child wears. And no, it won't turn him gay.

Turn him gay? 😂 What made you think tights would turn a boy gay?

This is a little boy who is a family member and that I look after so yes, I'm concerned for him to be comfortable.

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HarrietPierce · 24/02/2024 14:47

JaneAustensHeroine · Today 11:56

"Pick your battles.

He is safe and well cared for."

And he would be even more well cared for if she didn't put tights underneath his trousers and cause him discomfort.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:45

SENDhelp2023 · 24/02/2024 12:03

Why don’t you look after him if mum is ill? No problem then

And why don't you read my posts?

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Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 14:41

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 14:16

And I have definitely taken that from this thread instead of asking her not to do it we first need to find out why she is!

I think this a positive way of moving forward. Also to note that alongside all the knowing of his Mum, and you, and the nursery, that the only person who knows what it is to care for the boy right now, away from home, in these exceptional circumstances, is his foster carer. That is also its own unique thing, worthy of respect. You're all having different experiences with him, and you all have different things to contribute. Together you make a team. Absolutely, safeguard, but do allow for diversity.

I get what you're saying but he is still ops sisters child she is the main parent not this woman. I do question these so called professionals when they can't follow basic instructions. I have heard of worse things to happen in FC homes. This situation is relatively minor compared to the abuse I have heard. This woman does not have parental responsibility she is being paid to do a job to look after the child while the mother is having treatment. If the child doesn't like wearing tights and the nursery removes them as soon as she drops him off then clearly he doesn't like wearing them. The FC has good intentions but she likes to be in control.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:40

Haveyoubrushedyourteeth · 24/02/2024 11:56

No this is about a mother losing control of everything because she's unlucky enough to be ill and have zero back up! (No offence intended OP) Honestly this thread is making my blood boil.

I cannot imagine the absolute hell of being ill and frightened and having to hand over my non verbal child to a stranger who won't listen. His mother isn't abusive, she's not controlling, she hasn't had him taken away she's asked for help because she had ZERO choice. What other people did with their children was their choice, why isn't she still allowed to have her choices listened to just because she's unwell.

Thank you - this is expressed so well.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 14:38

JaneAustensHeroine · 24/02/2024 11:56

Pick your battles.

He is safe and well cared for.

Thank goodness for foster carers who are often handling difficult and complex situations. Be grateful for them.

I've expressed my gratitude more than once. However, I'm not happy that the little boy could be uncomfortable and distressed in her care. It would benefit her to listen to mum's advice. She does struggle with him which we thought was because of it been a new and distressing situation. But I think I'd she listens to mum then things may be easier for her.

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HarrietPierce · 24/02/2024 14:36

BeeDavis · Today 07:34

"I used to put tights on my little boy as he could never keep his bloody socks on 🤣 don’t see an issue!"

But it is an issue for this little boy.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 14:35

GleeFull · 24/02/2024 14:20

There’s some people on this thread who have strong opinions but clearly no idea of this child’s legal right to dignity. His dignity is not just about what he’s wearing or dressing in ‘girls’ clothes, it’s about feeling comfortable, safe and secure. He can’t vocalise this but his rights are no less relevant. I’ve seen amazing foster carers in my job, going above and beyond, but sadly in any job, that’s not always the case. Let’s be clear, the carers are paid to deliver a service on behalf of the LA. Yes it must be challenging at times and all respect to carers for that. But there’s a duty there and it can’t be ignored.
if it helps, article 23 rights of the child is relevant here.
https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/UNCRC_summary-1_1.pdf

There seems to be many posters on this thread who are too lazy to read, too ignorant to understand and too nasty to empathise.

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