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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:54

OK so I only read the first thread not 24 pages about tights.

So with that in mind:

Based on info in original post I don't think tights in February on a boy is a problem

Based on fact that child is too hot abd doesn't want to wear them then I would have a problem with that of course

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:54

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 18:42

Thank you. That's very kind of you.

It was bewildering at the time. I was 7 yrs old and no one would explain what was wrong: an ambulance took Mum away in the middle of the night because she had a threatened miscarriage and she was placed on bed rest for a few months. Children weren't allowed to visit the maternity ward in those days. (1960s.)

Unfortunately, Mum eventually miscarried in the hospital.

When Mum got home, I vaguely recall her telling me that she'd been away because "ladies sometimes need something called a D&C". (My parents didn't want me to fret over a lost sibling. I was in my late teens before I got the full explanation.)

My very best wishes to your family member and her little boy. Thank you for supporting her. It makes all the difference.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, it must have been very bewildering for a young child. It was felt best to protect the child from the truth in those days but is not necessarily the best approach.

Thank you for your kind words - they mean a lot.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:49

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 24/02/2024 18:33

I used to put my boys in tights under their trousers when they were at the sock pulling-off stage

He's beyond that stage and uncomfortable in them besides. Everytime I read someone saying they put their DC in tights under trousers it makes me feel itchy!!

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:46

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:28

Most people in the UK don't put boys in tights perhaps

Yes, we are in the UK.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:45

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:26

4 year olds don't notice what others are wearing so it's rubbish that other kids at school or nursery are laughing at him.

Loads of boys wear tights in countries across Europe there even have ones with cars, rockets, dinos etc on.

Totally fine if you ask me

Some do. I mentioned before that a 5yo asked my DD why he was wearing girls socks when he was just wearing white socks. That kind of thing can devastate a sensitive child. And yep, I know but that is not our situation.

Totally fine for a little boy, already upset as separated from his mum some of the time, to be uncomfortable and hot? Would you really be completely fine with it if that was your child?

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Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 18:42

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:26

4 year olds don't notice what others are wearing so it's rubbish that other kids at school or nursery are laughing at him.

Loads of boys wear tights in countries across Europe there even have ones with cars, rockets, dinos etc on.

Totally fine if you ask me

Totally fine for a disabled child to be made to be hot, uncomfortable, itchy and irritable?

Fine for a FC to not notice or care what a child she is trusted with needs?

or fine for a FC to do whatever she wants despite what the mother, the SW and the nursery are telling her?

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 18:42

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:29

That must have been difficult for you never the less.

Thank you. That's very kind of you.

It was bewildering at the time. I was 7 yrs old and no one would explain what was wrong: an ambulance took Mum away in the middle of the night because she had a threatened miscarriage and she was placed on bed rest for a few months. Children weren't allowed to visit the maternity ward in those days. (1960s.)

Unfortunately, Mum eventually miscarried in the hospital.

When Mum got home, I vaguely recall her telling me that she'd been away because "ladies sometimes need something called a D&C". (My parents didn't want me to fret over a lost sibling. I was in my late teens before I got the full explanation.)

My very best wishes to your family member and her little boy. Thank you for supporting her. It makes all the difference.

Hankunamatata · 24/02/2024 18:40

Haven't read the whole thread but Iv seen tights mentioned on sen boards to stop child removing nappy or putting hands in the nappy constantly or to smear

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:40

Rosesanddaisies1 · 24/02/2024 18:12

If a child is too warm, they should say something and it be addressed, or nursery staff seal with it. tights seems sensible in cold weather, not wearing them because they are culturally associated with the female sex is ridiculous.

Edited

As I've said he's pretty much non-verbal. He does say words to us but not to the FC (yet).

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Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 18:39

Rosesanddaisies1 · 24/02/2024 18:12

If a child is too warm, they should say something and it be addressed, or nursery staff seal with it. tights seems sensible in cold weather, not wearing them because they are culturally associated with the female sex is ridiculous.

Edited

Yep, the disabled non verbal child just needs to speak up. Thank heavens you’ve pointed that out.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 18:33

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:28

Most people in the UK don't put boys in tights perhaps

He doesn't like wearing them the nursery takes them off when he gets there and puts them back on before pick up time. Did you only read ops first post and then comment? There is 23 pages and you can press on see all to read only the ops posts.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 24/02/2024 18:33

I used to put my boys in tights under their trousers when they were at the sock pulling-off stage

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:32

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 18:03

Apologies. I referred to the mum as your sister in my previous comments. Thank you for supporting her.

It's fine, we are close. I just don't want to reveal everything for confidentiality. Although it's probably a quite unique situation so don't know why I don't!

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Carpediemmakeitcount · 24/02/2024 18:31

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:26

4 year olds don't notice what others are wearing so it's rubbish that other kids at school or nursery are laughing at him.

Loads of boys wear tights in countries across Europe there even have ones with cars, rockets, dinos etc on.

Totally fine if you ask me

Put your children in tights and leave everyone else to decide thank you.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:29

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 17:58

This. Thank you for saying this.

When my mother was hospitalised, my maternal gran couldn't take me in because she was already in hospital. My dad was a coalminer on shift work, so could only look after me at weekends. My dad's family was abroad.

I was fortunate - an aunt and maternal uncle living in the same town took care of me during the week. At weekends when Dad took the bus to the next town to visit Mum, a neighbour watched me. Not everyone has that kind of support system.

That must have been difficult for you never the less.

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NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:28

PeridotSparkle · 24/02/2024 18:08

Most people don't put boys in tights.

Most people in the UK don't put boys in tights perhaps

NoKnit · 24/02/2024 18:26

4 year olds don't notice what others are wearing so it's rubbish that other kids at school or nursery are laughing at him.

Loads of boys wear tights in countries across Europe there even have ones with cars, rockets, dinos etc on.

Totally fine if you ask me

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 18:25

Marchingforwards · 24/02/2024 17:33

Your sister has every right to choose what her child will wear. I’m wondering has she sent all her son’s clothes with him? Maybe this would work. Say to the carer these are his clothes and this is how I like him to dress. This is what is comfortable for him.

As I said above- I’m a foster carer and I’d fully adhere to this. I’d probably just ask does the parent mind if there’s an accident when out and the pants need to be changed or dry clothes quickly provided, but other than that the child would be able to wear his own clothes and shoes if they were brought with the child.

op you’ve probably tried everything already but on Monday say very clearly - we do not want x to wear tights. He doesn’t like the feel of them. This is important to all of us as we have his needs and wants as the highest priority hence him being looked after right now. Please respect our wishes and decisions in this matter.
then say something like- thanks so much for taking care of him. I can tell he is settled because of the way he is when we see him at xyz. This makes us so relieved during this really difficult time.

you’re really not asking too much and I really am honoured when I can help the whole family and not only the child. It’s a job of service and all trust is placed with a carer. She should be working with you.

She has sent about 3/4 with him and kept some at home and I have a few at mine for accidents etc.

I always write in his book, thank you for your care of him as we are very grateful. She is hard work, though. We end up trying to laugh about it! She doesn't like it if he naps in the day...but sometimes he needs a nap! We have a little giggle that she won't be happy!

You sound really lovely and I'm sure your hard work means a lot to the families you support.

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whatsitcalledwhen · 24/02/2024 18:22

@Lumiodes

If the child has been taken into foster care then tights are the least of his problems. If Mum wants to decide what he wears then maybe don’t get him taken off you?

She has cancer. Fucking hell.

Hopefully you're embarrassed by your post.

@lovelysoap

Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Jesus Christ.

She. Has. Cancer. That's the 'real issue'. She's done nothing to deserve this.

An apology to the OP wouldn't go amiss due to how awful your post was.

I'm staggered at the number of people who think children only go into foster care because they have rubbish parents.

snoopyfanaccountant · 24/02/2024 18:15

Rosesanddaisies1 · 24/02/2024 18:12

If a child is too warm, they should say something and it be addressed, or nursery staff seal with it. tights seems sensible in cold weather, not wearing them because they are culturally associated with the female sex is ridiculous.

Edited

The child is non-verbal so can't say anything.

HarrietPierce · 24/02/2024 18:14

It's not "completely normal" if it's causing discomfort to the child.

Rosesanddaisies1 · 24/02/2024 18:12

If a child is too warm, they should say something and it be addressed, or nursery staff seal with it. tights seems sensible in cold weather, not wearing them because they are culturally associated with the female sex is ridiculous.

PeridotSparkle · 24/02/2024 18:08

NuffSaidSam · 23/02/2024 23:25

It must be because she thinks he's cold. No other reason for it. She's not putting them on him for a laugh is she.

I've often put tights on boys when it's been cold. It's completely normal.

Most people don't put boys in tights.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 18:06

Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:43

don’t go after a selfless person who fosters other peoples children because of an item of clothing she puts them in.

I wouldn’t assume someone is a good or selfless person because they are foster carers. In my experience there were some outstanding foster carers who made me tear up when I saw how amazing they were and what an Impact they made on the children, but there were also some who clearly done it purely for the money.

I also grew up with a girl who has recently received a significant amount of compensation for the abuse she suffered in two of her foster care placements.

Again to be clear there are great foster carers also but I can’t assume they’re all selfish lovely humans who put the children’s needs first.

Agreed.

I've been in secondary teaching for 40 yrs. I've seen some amazingly wonderful foster carers. I've also seen some who treated fostering as just another source of income.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/02/2024 18:03

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:33

I've already explained that. There is no other family member. I have 2 SEN DC and no space for the little boy. I would have him if I could. But I figure I'm best placed to support like this rather than having a breakdown then all 3 would be in FC. I know people keep saying sister, but she's not my sister not that it matters, if I could have him I would 😢

And not only does he have to live with a stranger, his mum can't even ensure he is comfortable or happy because of how 'selfless' the FC is 😢

Apologies. I referred to the mum as your sister in my previous comments. Thank you for supporting her.

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