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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 00:04

Pearlyclouds · 23/02/2024 23:34

I put tights on my boy under trousers at nursery in the winters.. I think a lot of people do.
Nursery children under the age of 3 will not be making fun of each other they do not know what is 'culturally girls clothing' at that age.
If you think he's getting too hot that's a legitimate concern however I'm afraid if someone else is looking after him they may have different ideas of when it's too hot or cold and really they do have a right to make those choices just as any caregiver would. Not sure theres much you can do except say 'dont you think its too warm for that?' But if they disagree and think its cold.. well thats that i guess. People have this issue when parents are seperated... one parent puts the child in a coat and jumper.. the other wouldnt do that, they think its not cold enough etc end of the day theres not much you can do because that other person has parental responsibility when the childs in their care so get to maje decisions about whether they think the child might get cold or not whilst the child is in their care

It is really not cold enough here for tights as well as trousers. Noone here does it beyond maybe a cold snap and they're playing outside. They are not under 3 - they are 3 and 4 years olds. And yes some do at that age. If the little boy is hot and uncomfortable then I don't think they should have a right to do that to him. It doesn't matter if they think it is cold or warm, if the little boy is too warm (and his family who knows the signs best is pointing out to her that he is) then she should dress him appropriately. This is different to separated parents who both know the DC well. Also the FC doesn't have parental responsibility.

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purpleme12 · 24/02/2024 00:02

Foster carer shouldn't be doing this.
At least, not if the parent doesn't want it.
Go back to social worker again about it.
It's not relevant here whether you or I would put a boy in tights. Over this matter, a foster parent should be working with the parent.

fakeprofile · 24/02/2024 00:02

I don’t have experience with social workers, but is it normal for a SW to be getting involved in such trivial matters!? Mum is clearly going through a hard time, but surely there are bigger priorities for her right now!

JoanDarc · 23/02/2024 23:59

I can’t believe the responses. Tight under trousers indoors regardless of age/sex isn’t necessary and can be uncomfortable.
I’m amazed a FC is blatantly ignoring requests from the SW/ birth parent.

FabFebHalfTerm · 23/02/2024 23:57

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:51

Yes, babies but he's not a baby. And surely your teen wears them if they are cold? I actually didn't really think about the boy/girl thing it was the SW who said it was undignified at his age.

@TotoroElla

i hope his Mum gets well enough to get him back home asap. Could none of the family have moved in with them or had them move in to help instead of him going into FC?? She must be distraught.

However, you need to focus on him being too hot as the reason, that makes sense but (from your OP

Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item

does not.

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:56

Hankunamatata · 23/02/2024 23:28

Are there toileting issues?

He is in nappies if that's what you mean?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:55

Mooda · 23/02/2024 23:27

Weird answers. Tights under trousers uncomfortable and almost always unnecessary in this country except maybe during rare cold snaps. Certainly not appropriate at the moment. YANBU. Will SW make this clear to FC?

She already has a couple of times and mum has asked multiple times and the FC has ignored this. I completely agree, it is way too warm. And clearly he finds them hot and uncomfortable. Some people seem to get hung up on being cold. I'm wondering if the FC really feels the cold or something and this is blinding her to the fact he is a warm child!

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LuluBlakey1 · 23/02/2024 23:53

My DS2 is 4 and he would make it very clear he did not want to wear DD's woolly red tights to school. He wears long trousers, socks and his trainers, and with his outdoor jacket is quite warm enough- even today when it was 3 degrees here this morning.

SecondHandFurniture · 23/02/2024 23:52

Genuinely horrified at people posting that this is a case of a bad mum who has had her child "removed", when the OP has twice stated his mum is unwell and having treatment.

Ladybrrrd · 23/02/2024 23:52

She should be respecting the Mum's wishes, and I can see it being too warm but if course there's nothing wrong with boys in tights. They're just clothes.

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:51

caringcarer · 23/02/2024 23:27

My grandsons wore tights with characters on their bum. They looked cute. Lots of baby boys wear tights. Also my teen wears leggings which are surely similar to tights. You are getting too hung up about girls clothes and boys clothes.

Yes, babies but he's not a baby. And surely your teen wears them if they are cold? I actually didn't really think about the boy/girl thing it was the SW who said it was undignified at his age.

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mathanxiety · 23/02/2024 23:49

The FC needs to do what the SW is asking her to do.

The choice to put a 4yo boy in tights under trousers is very odd in normal British winter weather. It's not the Yukon. And if it were the Yukon, parents would put padded snow pants/ bibs over normal indoor clothes and the snow gear would be taken off when the child came inside.

The SW's reason to object to the tights is odd. Boys do wear tights and tights-like thermals under trousers in some cultures and climates. It's not 'undignified'.

The other children shouldn't be allowed to make fun of their SEN classmate. Teachers need to protect him and encourage a more accepting atmosphere.

However -
How do you know all of this?
And how does the mum have so much first hand info wrt the child if he is in foster care?

NuffSaidSam · 23/02/2024 23:49

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:43

Well, no, not for a laugh. I just can't understand why she won't take on board that it is too warm for them and he gets uncomfortable and that the SW feels it is undignified and his mum has asked her to stop. He returns with socks on and hasn't frozen on the journey so why does she think he is cold?

The only person who can answer that is her. None of us can tell you why she thinks he's cold . Maybe she's one of those people who also feels cold herself and so thinks he's cold too? Maybe her house is very cold? Maybe she was doing it over winter when it was cold and is just doing out of habit? Only she knows!

I think unless he's becoming dangerously overheated it's really not a big problem. Presumably, quite a small problem in the grand scheme of things if he's been removed from his parents! Does his mum give thanks for all the care he's getting from the foster carer or is it just moaning about him being a little bit warm in the clothes she dresses him in?

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:49

Spinet · 23/02/2024 23:26

I don't agree that it's undignified to put a toddler in tights. Keeps them warm. I would imagine that your relative is focusing on this because she would rather the kid wasn't in foster care and would do better to use that energy concentrating on doing whatever it is she needs to to have him live with her again. I'm sure it's hard for her.

He's too warm, though. And would you just ignore the SW expressing that opinion and also mum asking you to stop it. I appreciate your point (she's unwell and having treatment) but she worries about him, of course.

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Zoreos · 23/02/2024 23:49

As the child has sensory issues and is unable to advocate his needs for himself but you can see he’s too hot/ uncomfortable I would definitely push back against this big time. I’d keep binning the tights every time and explain firmly that as it’s expressly against the wishes of mum and SW has agreed that this needs to stop immediately. That and the fact it’s totally unnecessary and harming the child by making him too hot and uncomfortable. Why should the poor child continue to be uncomfortable because the FC is obviously batshit. Nobody of any sex needs tights under trousers in this weather. Make a formal complaint to social care. I’d also be speaking to nursery as well and making them aware of the situation.

ZebraPensAreLife · 23/02/2024 23:48

FabFebHalfTerm · 23/02/2024 23:46

@SecondHandFurniture

the SW says it's not protecting his dignity.

it's not about being too warm or anything sensible. It's just stupidity, I'd not be listening to her either!

I’m really surprised a social worker has the time or inclination to care about tights in the first place!

Or that anyone would think tights were “undignified” - has anyone told various actors?

Opine · 23/02/2024 23:47

It’s normal in most of Europe to put tights on boys. The English are obsessed with boys versus girls clothing and that’s why children in the UK, especially boys, aren’t very well dressed. On holiday you can spot English children a mile off.

If your relative doesn’t like it she can just pass that onto the FC but the whole ‘undignified for boys’ argument is really ignorant.

FabFebHalfTerm · 23/02/2024 23:46

SecondHandFurniture · 23/02/2024 23:30

That is odd. Mine has thermal leggings but that's for rugby and they don't have feet attached.

I don't think it's on when the foster carer has been asked to stop by the SW.

@SecondHandFurniture

the SW says it's not protecting his dignity.

it's not about being too warm or anything sensible. It's just stupidity, I'd not be listening to her either!

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:46

Hankunamatata · 23/02/2024 23:26

So you mean like school wooly tights or leggings?

Yes like wooly tights.

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:45

Esse1234 · 23/02/2024 23:26

Nursery staff are trained to deal with making sure kids are appropriately dressed for the temperature anyway. How does mum know he was too hot at nursery anyway if he's in foster care?

He is too hot when with us/picked up from nursery. Nursery is warm too.

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:43

NuffSaidSam · 23/02/2024 23:25

It must be because she thinks he's cold. No other reason for it. She's not putting them on him for a laugh is she.

I've often put tights on boys when it's been cold. It's completely normal.

Well, no, not for a laugh. I just can't understand why she won't take on board that it is too warm for them and he gets uncomfortable and that the SW feels it is undignified and his mum has asked her to stop. He returns with socks on and hasn't frozen on the journey so why does she think he is cold?

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TheTimeIsNowMaybeNow · 23/02/2024 23:40

He's 4, he doesn't need tights under his trousers when he's at nursery or in the house. Actually I'd say he doesn't need them at all and if the sw has asked her to stop then she should stop

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:40

Hankunamatata · 23/02/2024 23:24

How do the kids at nursery know if they are under trousers

Well, it's true they probably wouldn't notice but it is quite clear to us anyway. I think mum understandably worries.

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Franklyfrost · 23/02/2024 23:39

Children often have clothing preferences based on how the clothes feel and like (or dislike) certain textures or tight/loose clothing. Sensory sensitivity is especially common in children who are struggling in other ways (like being in care). I imagine that the kid wants to wear tights and the trousers on top are a compromise to help him fit in. If it makes the child’s life easier then it’s a good thing. Building a working relationship with those looking after your relative is going to help your relative a lot more than stopping your relative from wearing tights.

StressefHousePurchase · 23/02/2024 23:38

Don’t see a problem with it

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