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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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BertieBotts · 24/02/2024 08:38

I don't agree with mum's or SW's reasoning and don't think there's anything wrong with tights, but the foster carer should follow parent's wishes where appropriate. Foster care isn't a punishment for parents.

ChocolateTurtle · 24/02/2024 08:38

The issues here as I see them are that firstly the foster carer should be listening to and working with Mum. So if Mum says no tights, then it's no tights. Secondly the concern is that the little boy is uncomfortable and hot, again FC should take this on board in order to provide the best care for little boy.
I did put tights on my son when he was a baby during very cold spells though not at age four. However what I did with my son is irrelevant as I am not the parent of this little boy.
And can we stop stigmatising the mum for not having her son with her full time, none of us know her circumstances.

SecondHandFurniture · 24/02/2024 08:34

Lumiodes · 24/02/2024 08:31

If the child has been taken into foster care then tights are the least of his problems. If Mum wants to decide what he wears then maybe don’t get him taken off you?

Oh my GOD. Read the fucking thread!

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 08:34

thebestinterest · 24/02/2024 02:53

Op, I’m ashamed of my comment. I’m so sorry 😭

Good, engage your brain before your words. An example of typical mumsnetter

BreatheAndFocus · 24/02/2024 08:34

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:26

I always think even if she's determined for him to wear tights other times (and maybe she has reasons like playing outside for a long duration, perhaps) why can't she just put him socks when he sees his mum?

But perhaps she doesn’t even get why the tights aren’t ok? It’s like saying why did she bring the child along with hair longer than an inch because ‘everyone knows boys need shaved heads with very short hair because hair round the ears or hair that’s curling at all is for girls’. That’s equally ridiculous.

Maybe the mum needs to look at her regressive ideas and the message they might send in future? This week I saw a mum in the supermarket snapping at her son when he pointed to a pink character Easter egg and said that was the one he wanted for Easter. She told him it was “for girls”. When he said “but I like it”, she took his hand and pulled him away.

Pretty much all attitudes like that stem from homophobia IMO. Poor little boy.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/02/2024 08:33

There are two possible reasons the FC is putting him in tights . (1) for warmth (2) to secure his nappy.

To my mind, there are legitimate reasons to ask her to stop (1) he’s too hot (2) the feel and texture of the tights fabric is upsetting him.

There is also a non-legitimate reason to ask her to stop: tights are for girls.

You, the BM and the SW (though I find this hard to believe) are bothered about the wrong thing.

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What an absolutely nasty, assumptious reply. OP has stated several times that mother is ill, I’ve seen since you wrote this shite that OP has confirmed mother has cancer.

I hope you feel stupid, ashamed and sorry. You massive idiot

Lumiodes · 24/02/2024 08:31

If the child has been taken into foster care then tights are the least of his problems. If Mum wants to decide what he wears then maybe don’t get him taken off you?

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:31

useitorlose · 24/02/2024 04:47

I used to teach primary in west London and when changing for PE in the winter would find that several of the boys were wearing tights under their trousers in y1 and y2. To my knowledge, none of the other children ever poked fun at them for it.

I'm glad to hear that. I'll tell his mum and hopefully it will reassure her.

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JMSA · 24/02/2024 08:28

It seems a funny thing for mum to focus on, given the situation. I hope she feels better and able to have her son back soon Flowers

Couldn't anyone else in the family have had him, to save him going to a stranger?

Spirallingdownwards · 24/02/2024 08:27

I don't believe the SW has said she shouldn't. I think this is the OP's own sexist view and she thinks by saying the SW agrees it adds credence her story. I don't believe other toddlers make fun of him or even think of tights as girls clothes. I think it is the OP and the mum perpetuating sexist views and then at some stage it will turn into another anti trans Mn Thread.

BreatheAndFocus · 24/02/2024 08:26

My son wore tights when he was younger. Knowing how ridiculous some people are, I bought him ‘boys tights’ and they were fab. Nobody commented on them apart from one mum who praised the pattern on them and the thickness and asked me where I’d got them. They were lovely and warm and comfortable for him.

It’s perfectly normal for boys to wear tights. Wtf is wrong with people?

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:26

Dentistlakes · 24/02/2024 04:46

YANBU. Not because I think tights on boys is
wrong (mine wore them in winter), but because presumably she’s aware she’s upsetting the child’s mother by doing so. This needs to be a partnership of trust, so the mother isn’t needlessly stressed.

I always think even if she's determined for him to wear tights other times (and maybe she has reasons like playing outside for a long duration, perhaps) why can't she just put him socks when he sees his mum?

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Sugargliderwombat · 24/02/2024 08:25

I know some Asian families in our school community layer up their little ones, we get lots of 4-5 year olds wearing little long John's and roll neck tops well into the summer. Is she from a warmer country originally? I wonder if she just feels the cold and then is worried that he is too.

LIZS · 24/02/2024 08:24

Perfectly normal way of dressing in Europe in winter. Maybe it is a sensory issue or he removes his socks otherwise.

Lourdes12 · 24/02/2024 08:23

Do you mean tights or leggings? Actually I put my boy in both. He’s 8 now and still wears leggings

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 24/02/2024 08:22

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:15

And no, my issue is not the concept of what I deem to be girls clothes. And yes I would still object to long johns as it is too warm for them.

You and his mother need to make this very clear when talking to social workers. This isn’t about what’s dignified or the worry that other kids could potentially realise and could potentially mock him for it. That’s too much speculation, too much “could”, “might” etc. A bit of a storm in a tea cup tbh.

The boy being uncomfortable and too hot is relevant.
Itchy skin, red spots etc. are as well.

Mentioning this to SW and expecting the FC to be mindful of this - especially important in the case of a mostly non-verbal child - would be best (imo).

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:22

Yoyoban · 24/02/2024 04:19

Since your op was focused on it being undignified rather than him being hot I wonder if this is a communication issue.

If the FC thinks he's cold (and he may be in other environments to your relatives house) then she's right to ignore any superficial, sexist concerns like 'tights aren't boys clothing' and prioritise him being warm. I'd make sure the communication focuses specifically on him being too hot in them - and how you can tell that. That said, her house may be a lot colder than your relative's house so unless you know he's too hot before he leaves to go to your relative's house you still don't know she's actually doing anything wrong to dress him in them initially. If the transport is hotter than her house it may be just that he needs them taking off for the journey (personally I wear warmer clothes in my home than I do when out and about because at home I'm a lot more sedentary and get cold, but once I start walking I warm up quickly).

Also being 10°C isn't really that meaningful - what is he doing in the 10°C? Running around playing outside is going to require fewer clothes than e.g. standing waiting for a bus for 20mins or being pushed in a pushchair.

Yes, it could be a communication issue.

But I can't understand how she thinks he is cold. It's just not the weather for needing an extra layer under trousers.

I do think most people are not understanding the SW's point which is not superficial.

He travels from one house to another. He is inside the majority of the time. If he goes in his buggy he has a blanket.

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Zodfa · 24/02/2024 08:20

A lot of adults are sexist. Concerns about putative sexist 4-year-olds can be a good cover.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:15

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 04:09

It’s really not that unusual for a toddler to be wearing tights under trousers. If he was as uncomfortable as mum makes out, then surely nursery staff will have noticed too but they clearly haven’t.

And 4 year olds won’t be bullying each other over this.

Your issue seems to be the concept of what you deem to be girls clothes. If it was a pair of long johns, would you still object?

And no, my issue is not the concept of what I deem to be girls clothes. And yes I would still object to long johns as it is too warm for them.

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Tumbleweed101 · 24/02/2024 08:14

Some parents do put them on boys as a base layer in winter. At nursery they don’t usually notice or comment on each others clothing.

If a child in our care was hot we’d help them take them off as we would with jumpers etc.

In terms of what to do the social worker may need to intervene and make it clear that it is making the child and family unhappy.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:12

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 04:09

It’s really not that unusual for a toddler to be wearing tights under trousers. If he was as uncomfortable as mum makes out, then surely nursery staff will have noticed too but they clearly haven’t.

And 4 year olds won’t be bullying each other over this.

Your issue seems to be the concept of what you deem to be girls clothes. If it was a pair of long johns, would you still object?

As I've said I believe nursery have noticed. But usually the FC picks him up.

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