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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:17

Rosebel · 24/02/2024 07:56

How can him wearing tights be seen as not protecting his dignity?
Recently my nearly 4 year old came home from nursery wearing pink tights because he didn't have any socks left. He didn't care, I didn't care, the other kids didn't care. My son is autistic and non verbal but believe me he'd find a way to let the staff know if he didn't want to wear them.
I'm not sure why a SW would be against it either.
10 degrees is cold, especially if he's playing outside at nursery. If this is your biggest concern then seems like you're just nit picking and looking for something to moan about instead of being glad that someone is caring for him while mum can't.

10 degrees is not cold! But he's inside most of the time at nursery.

And he is making it known he doesn't want to wear the tights.

I get most people don't understand the SW's point, but nevertheless I do think there is some merit to it. But I think the fact most people don't understand it probably means the FC doesn't either so better to focus on him being uncomfortable in the tights.

Advocating for a child is not 'moaning'.

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WimbyAce · 24/02/2024 09:16

Regardless of boy or girl there is no need for tights under trousers in the current weather, perhaps if it was freezing then a good idea as an extra layer. Has foster carer said why they are doing it?

converseandjeans · 24/02/2024 09:16

YANBU as first of all it would be really restricting & hot to have tights under trousers. Secondly they are a girls item of clothing. DS was bothered about what he wore from quite a young age & there's no way he would have agreed to wear tights at the age of 4!

You're getting some bizarre responses here.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 09:16

N27 · 24/02/2024 09:11

I think you’re confusing matters.

unecessary items because it’s hot - fine. You may have a point.

going on about being dignified, being picked on, mum doesn’t like it etc is all ridiculous. They are all issues you are creating/imagining. It’s not undignified it’s a piece of clothing for gods sake. And there has been absolutely no mention of any other 4 year olds noticing let alone commenting, so the argument of him being picked on is entirely in your head.

it’s a difference in opinion, but ultimately he’s not being harmed and the foster carer os being paid to look after the child in the way she thinks best.

No, the FC is being paid to look after the child in partnership with the mother and social services, within the guidelines of fostering.

The most important of which is that the FC doesn’t have any PR and should be listening to the professionals involved and the mother.

Making him hot, uncomfortable and irritable is harming him. Not being guided by him and the people who know him is harming him.

SecondHandFurniture · 24/02/2024 09:13

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 09:03

It doesn't matter why he's in foster care, what matters is that he is, that's he's away from his family. Maybe he likes wearing tights, maybe they help him feel snug and secure and protected, like swaddling for a baby, or a blankie. Maybe that's what the carer has picked up on.

My point is focus on the important stuff, not stereotypical boys and girls clothing.

Nice try. We all know what you meant.

shoppingshamed · 24/02/2024 09:13

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:59

Sorry?

That poster is indicating that she is so clever and has worked out that you are making it all up. Not clever enough though to know she should report if she thinks that.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:12

MockneyReject · 24/02/2024 07:55

It looks as though she's putting the tights on, to keep his nappy in place, and stop it leaking.
If that's the case, maybe he could just wear leggings, instead of tights and trousers.
My DS has leggings with shorts attached. They're from H&M, and are designed to look 'sporty'.

I'm not sure about the nappy leaking as he wears massive ones to stop leaking. But we can check that, thanks.

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N27 · 24/02/2024 09:11

I think you’re confusing matters.

unecessary items because it’s hot - fine. You may have a point.

going on about being dignified, being picked on, mum doesn’t like it etc is all ridiculous. They are all issues you are creating/imagining. It’s not undignified it’s a piece of clothing for gods sake. And there has been absolutely no mention of any other 4 year olds noticing let alone commenting, so the argument of him being picked on is entirely in your head.

it’s a difference in opinion, but ultimately he’s not being harmed and the foster carer os being paid to look after the child in the way she thinks best.

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 09:11

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 09:03

It doesn't matter why he's in foster care, what matters is that he is, that's he's away from his family. Maybe he likes wearing tights, maybe they help him feel snug and secure and protected, like swaddling for a baby, or a blankie. Maybe that's what the carer has picked up on.

My point is focus on the important stuff, not stereotypical boys and girls clothing.

Massive diversion here, OK.🙄 You must be in politics 😂

It has been explained the the poor little boy is uncomfortable and hot, and that is the OP, the mother’s and the SW concern.

It has been explained that the FC is ignoring mother’s and SW concerns

This issue at a time when mother is going through cancer diagnosis and treatment is going to stress her out, which isn’t going to help.

And he doesn’t like wearing them. Stop projecting

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:10

BeeDavis · 24/02/2024 07:34

I used to put tights on my little boy as he could never keep his bloody socks on 🤣 don’t see an issue!

Was he uncomfortable in them?

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Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 09:09

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 09:03

It doesn't matter why he's in foster care, what matters is that he is, that's he's away from his family. Maybe he likes wearing tights, maybe they help him feel snug and secure and protected, like swaddling for a baby, or a blankie. Maybe that's what the carer has picked up on.

My point is focus on the important stuff, not stereotypical boys and girls clothing.

Right, so his mother who has successfully brought him up for 4 years, the nursery staff who have known him for years and the specialist SW who has known him for years are all wrong?

The fact the child is red in the face, blotchy, irritable and hot is irrelevant?

The fact that when the tights are removed he stops being distressed, hot and blotchy indicates that he WANTS to be wearing woolly tights- and the FC has divined this fact that every other fucker has missed?

Right.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/02/2024 09:09

Given the wee boy is in foster care I'd say you all have more serious things to worry about than policing gender normative clothing. FFS.

Another vile comment.

Disgusting.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:08

Hotgirlwinter · 24/02/2024 07:22

My god, people are massively failing to see the point here.

Tights under trousers for a 4 year old who is indoors is completely unnecessary and must be making him really uncomfortable.

In terms of what you can do OP, I guess firstly speak to the nursery manager and ask them to ensure LO is appropriately dressed when he is with them and that they should ensure he isn’t hot or distressed and give express permission to remove tights. Nurseries are kept so warm that I cannot imagine having two layers on then a top / jumper too. It’s red hot in our nursery, the staff walk about it T-shirts in the middle of January!!!

secondly, make a formal complaint to the SW and ask for them to have a formal conversation with the FC. I realise the SW has mentioned it before but perhaps FC hasn’t really taken it on board and it might be what she’s done for other children. She may need to be told in a more formal direct way.

Hope your friend recovers and is reunited with her little boy soon. It must be very hard for her.

Also, if I tried to put “girl” tights on my 4 year old he’d scream absolute bloody murder. Of course preschool kids realise the basics of gender norms - not saying it’s right but that is a fact of life. They’re 4 not babes in arms.

Yes, his nursery is kept toasty so no need for a double layer. Thank you for the advice.

And thank you, that's very kind.

And exactly, it's not about the rights and wrongs of tights being on boys. But just about him being the same as his peers considering he can't express a preference or understand if a DC is innocently asking why he is wearing 'girl' clothes.

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CecilyP · 24/02/2024 09:08

10 degrees is cold, especially if he's playing outside at nursery.

It really isn’t! Minus temperatures are cold! If 4 year olds are outside, they’re generally running around being active, not standing about. That’s what adults do and they don’t normally wear tights under trousers! Tights are normally associated with girls because girls wear skirts and dresses. However, when it’s this mild there are plenty of girls just wearing socks with their dresses.

GleeFull · 24/02/2024 09:07

i assume mum still holds parental responsibility so her requests should be respected. If he was outside on a snowy walk but indoors it sounds completely unnecessary. Social workers do uphold people’s dignity. I think some people are giving you a hard time OP

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 09:03

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 08:54

Given the wee boy is in foster care I'd say you all have more serious things to worry about than policing gender normative clothing. FFS.

It doesn't matter why he's in foster care, what matters is that he is, that's he's away from his family. Maybe he likes wearing tights, maybe they help him feel snug and secure and protected, like swaddling for a baby, or a blankie. Maybe that's what the carer has picked up on.

My point is focus on the important stuff, not stereotypical boys and girls clothing.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 09:03

@Stravaig @Lumiodes read the thread ffs- the mothers only failing is to have cancer!

Presumably that could never happen to you?!

A shit thing has happened to the mother of a disabled child, the child’s life is turned upside down and a FC is compounding the utter devastation of the situation by refusing to listen to reason and deciding she knows better than the mother, the nursery staff and the specialist SW.

Tarsandcase · 24/02/2024 09:03

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 09:00

This thread is really bringing out the nasty bigots of mumsnet isn’t it. Perhaps read the full thread before commenting.

To quote you, FFS

Edited

It's horrible. OP is doing well to ignore them.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:02

Sufac · 24/02/2024 06:59

Four year olds don’t make fun of each other for what they are wearing. If the nursery staff think he’s too hot they will remove them like they would a jumper.

There is obviously something else going on here, do you think he’s going to turn into a girl by wearing them?

Do I think he's going to turn into a girl by wearing them? 😂 Erm...no.

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TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 09:01

Mmmm19 · 24/02/2024 06:58

it’s common to do this for boys under trousers. They must be worried it’s cold. I’d go for he felt too hot inside rather than focussing on the tights. Is his nursery cold inside with a door to outside always opening and closing or does he spend much of the day outside?

No, nursery is very warm. They don't have free flow to the outside. They just have 'playtime' outside.

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Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 09:00

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 08:54

Given the wee boy is in foster care I'd say you all have more serious things to worry about than policing gender normative clothing. FFS.

This thread is really bringing out the nasty bigots of mumsnet isn’t it. Perhaps read the full thread before commenting.

To quote you, FFS

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:59

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Sorry?

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Viviennemary · 24/02/2024 08:59

This is wrong. If she lacks sense in this what other poor judgements is she making. Sounds totally unsuitable to be fostering.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 08:58

MoreLidlThanWaitrose · 24/02/2024 06:31

FC needs to respect parental wishes (barring parents actually requesting something unsafe or whatever).

Personally I have no issues with boys wearing tights in whatever context but it does seem an odd choice in the mild weather we’ve been having to layer him up.

Yes, I could understand if it was freezing.

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isitshe · 24/02/2024 08:58

Stravaig · 24/02/2024 08:54

Given the wee boy is in foster care I'd say you all have more serious things to worry about than policing gender normative clothing. FFS.

Indeed. Like the fact that her sister, the little boy's mum, has cancer.