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To think she shouldn't put him in tights?

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TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:01

Just trying to understand and find a way forward.

A family member's little boy is in foster care currently. He is 4 yo. The FC keeps putting him in tights. His mum is getting upset with it and doesn't understand why she keeps doing it. She has asked for her to stop and the SW has asked her to stop too. Mum doesn't feel it is very dignified for him to be at nursery wearing what is culturally a girls' clothes item. He was getting so hot in them the other day as of course he has trousers over them.

Can anyone shed any light as to why she is doing this or what his mum can do about it?

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Createausername1970 · 24/02/2024 10:17

Can't believe some of the replies!

Basically you are trying to advocate for an SEN child in foster care (because mum is seriously unwell) and the FC is ignoring requests from mum and SW. SEN child is mostly non-verbal so cannot say whether he is comfortable with a particular situation, but as a family member who knows the child, you recognise tell-tale signs that he is not comfortable.

That is the gist of the situation?

You have had good advice about making a formal complaint. But I would also want to know the reason the FC keeps doing what she has been asked not to do. There may be a valid reason, but FC needs to explain.

Soontobe60 · 24/02/2024 10:17

Pearlyclouds · 23/02/2024 23:34

I put tights on my boy under trousers at nursery in the winters.. I think a lot of people do.
Nursery children under the age of 3 will not be making fun of each other they do not know what is 'culturally girls clothing' at that age.
If you think he's getting too hot that's a legitimate concern however I'm afraid if someone else is looking after him they may have different ideas of when it's too hot or cold and really they do have a right to make those choices just as any caregiver would. Not sure theres much you can do except say 'dont you think its too warm for that?' But if they disagree and think its cold.. well thats that i guess. People have this issue when parents are seperated... one parent puts the child in a coat and jumper.. the other wouldnt do that, they think its not cold enough etc end of the day theres not much you can do because that other person has parental responsibility when the childs in their care so get to maje decisions about whether they think the child might get cold or not whilst the child is in their care

I would argue that if a parent has asked the foster carer to not put their child in a particular item, then unless it’s an unreasonable request such as asking them to not put a coat on when it’s raining, the FC should comply with the parents request.
There could be all sorts of reasons why a child is in foster care, the job of a foster carer is to support that child and work with the actual parent as much as possible.
It’s not about whether it’s ok to put boys in tights under their trousers, it’s about a parent being ignored when making a very reasonable request.

Forester1 · 24/02/2024 10:16

I think you’ve had some awful responses on here. Two layers on the bottom half in nursery is one layer too much. Whether a boy or girl. And sorry that as a family you’re in the position to need the help of FC.

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 10:16

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

@lovelysoap

The mother’s cancer diagnosis is the real issue. I’m sure she is facing this head on

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:16

BreatheAndFocus · 24/02/2024 08:34

But perhaps she doesn’t even get why the tights aren’t ok? It’s like saying why did she bring the child along with hair longer than an inch because ‘everyone knows boys need shaved heads with very short hair because hair round the ears or hair that’s curling at all is for girls’. That’s equally ridiculous.

Maybe the mum needs to look at her regressive ideas and the message they might send in future? This week I saw a mum in the supermarket snapping at her son when he pointed to a pink character Easter egg and said that was the one he wanted for Easter. She told him it was “for girls”. When he said “but I like it”, she took his hand and pulled him away.

Pretty much all attitudes like that stem from homophobia IMO. Poor little boy.

Little boy has curly hair 😂

His mum does not have regressive ideas and no she does not need to be worrying about whether some people may misinterpret her concern for her DS in that way while trying to cope with chemo.

Yes, he is a poor little boy - his mum has cancer and might die. 😢

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Saltandpeppero · 24/02/2024 10:15

Parents who have their kids taken into care for any reason will often feel very powerless and as if they’re already failing their children even if it’s beyond their control like in the case of the OPs relative who sadly has cancers.

Unnecessary actions like this which is causing discomfort for their child can be especially upsetting for the bio parents as they already feel a bit helpless.

It’s a very delicate time for the children too and whereby another kid might not remember incidents like this, for a child in care the stress of the “hot tights” they kept being made to wear may form a big part of their early years memory.

I’m speaking as a former social services professional ( educator for children in care working alongside SWs) and as a care experienced adult who spent a year in privately arranged kinship care as a 4 year old.

FabFebHalfTerm · 24/02/2024 10:15

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

@lovelysoap

my advice would be to get off your snotty high horse & read the OP's posts. FFS

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:14

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Read the thread ffs.

I presume you are lucky enough to be surrounded by friends and family with plenty of money and space and time? So if you get cancer you can just ring up aunty Ann two doors down and everything will be hunky dory?

There are lots of single mums in the country who couldn’t magic up a family member or friend to take in a disabled 4 year old full time, on an on going basis.

Im sure the mother wishes the boy was with granny- but there isn’t one. I’m sure the op would prefer the child was with her- but he can’t be because she has 2 disabled children already.

User373433 · 24/02/2024 10:13

I think it is loud and clear your reasons are you think it's undignified because they are for girls only. Which is utter nonsense. Plenty of boys tights available, look at H&M and other European brands. I wonder if the foster carer is putting them on him for dignity, to cover up the fact he is 4 and still in nappies? Maybe it stops him undoing his nappy? It's a common thing to do with SEN children who poo smear for eg.

rainbowunicorn · 24/02/2024 10:13

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What a nasty thing to say. Try reading the OP posts and you will see that the child is in care as the mum is unwell. Typical post from you.

Rosestulips · 24/02/2024 10:12

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Perhaps you need to work on your reading and comprehension skills.

The father is not around, no grandparents, the only family is OP who has two disabled children of her own!

But you just chose to be judgmental. Shameful

Bumblebeestiltskin · 24/02/2024 10:12

TotoroElla · 23/02/2024 23:17

Wearing them for outdoor activities is a different situation to a toddler just wearing them when inside. I said that because his mum was upset about kids at nursery making fun of him as tights are usually put on girls. The SW also said it wasn't dignified for him to be put in items of clothing usually put on girls. I then went on to say how hot he was as to make it clear it wasn't that it was freezing so she'd put them on him for warmth (especially as he would be in a warm house wearing them no matter the weather).

I don't believe the SW said that. Clothes, colours, and toys are for everyone - tights are fine for boys to wear.

FabFebHalfTerm · 24/02/2024 10:11

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:03

Absolutely!

@Tatonka

then read the OP's posts.

the Mum has cancer. The op has her own children (also with SEN) and no other family.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/02/2024 10:10

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Another judgemental twatty post made by a poster with limited reading ability.

The mother has cancer.

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:09

BreatheAndFocus · 24/02/2024 08:34

But perhaps she doesn’t even get why the tights aren’t ok? It’s like saying why did she bring the child along with hair longer than an inch because ‘everyone knows boys need shaved heads with very short hair because hair round the ears or hair that’s curling at all is for girls’. That’s equally ridiculous.

Maybe the mum needs to look at her regressive ideas and the message they might send in future? This week I saw a mum in the supermarket snapping at her son when he pointed to a pink character Easter egg and said that was the one he wanted for Easter. She told him it was “for girls”. When he said “but I like it”, she took his hand and pulled him away.

Pretty much all attitudes like that stem from homophobia IMO. Poor little boy.

She doesn't need to get why the tights aren't ok. His mother has asked for him to not wear them. Unless the FC thinks it is harmful to the little lad to not wear them (which I find hard to believe as he was fine with his mum in socks and the majority of not all the other little boys will be wearing socks) then she needs to follow the mothers (and SWs) instructions.

OP posts:
Lassiata · 24/02/2024 10:09

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

Did you read why he is in foster care?

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:09

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

Right, so as well as the mother being bad for having cancer, the op is a bad aunty for having 2 disabled children and not having the capacity to parent a third?

Lassiata · 24/02/2024 10:09

It's not undignified, that's ludicrous, but I bet he is way too warm, poor lad.

lovelysoap · 24/02/2024 10:08

I think mum is focusing on the tights issue to avoid the real issue. Children are only taken into foster care as a very last resort. There is a huge lack of foster care spaces and they only go to the children most at risk of immediate serious harm and when there are no other suitable family members who are even able to care for the child on a temporary basis. Things generally need to be rock bottom for a child to be in foster care and not even dad or any of dads extended family or friends can care for the child. Parental responsibility now lies with the local authority as Mum and dad and no friends or relatives can keep this child safe.

i think that it is understandable that the family will focus on a small issue about the foster carer which is easier than facing up tot he very difficult reality that they cant keep a child safe despite social workers trying to work with them to keep the child safe for a long time.

The focus needs to be the needs of the child and getting home into a proper place where he can be safe and his needs can be attended to not some red herring like tights.

My advice would be to face up to and try and engage and work with the FC and SW on the real issues that prevent this child living and thriving with his birth family.

MumTeacherofMany · 24/02/2024 10:08

If he's wearing them under trousers like you said what 3 year olds are laughing at them lol? Honestly? I agree it is unnecessary though, it's fairly mild for February

FabFebHalfTerm · 24/02/2024 10:08

amylou8 · 24/02/2024 10:02

With the threshold for taking a child into care being so high, I think mums energy would be best spent dealing with whatever resulted in this happening. Nit picking the FC just sounds like a deflection for her, in what I'm sure is a very upsetting and stressful time.

@amylou8

at least do @TotoroElla the courtesy of reading her posts .

FFS her sister has cancer, Toto has 2 SEN DC of her own & there's no other family who could look after him.

Shamalar · 24/02/2024 10:08

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:00

Are you seriously more interested in it being ok for boys to wear tights in principle than you are in the fact a distressed, disabled, vulnerable child is being made hot, uncomfortable and itchy because a FC thinks that they are above the directive from the mother, the sw and the advice from the nursery?!

Honestly, I don’t believe the boy is as hot and uncomfortable as OP claims. She started off by saying that boys don’t wear tights and even the SW says it’s undignified, but after posters said otherwise, she started to focus on his comfort and his discomfort has gotten worse as the thread has progressed.

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:07

BimBimBaloo · 24/02/2024 10:03

Then 100% push for the Supervising social worker to take this up with the foster carer.

I'd there a reason why the child is with a foster carer and not with a kinship/ family and friends carer?

The reason is not everyone has an abundance of family and friends who would be able to take in a disabled 4 year old full time for an unknown length of time.

Tatonka · 24/02/2024 10:06

Theresstilltonighttocome · 24/02/2024 10:02

Read the thread ffs.

There are many things wrong with this situation.

Perhaps the family needs to step up and look after the child if there are other issues as well. I've just seen the comments re the tights

TotoroElla · 24/02/2024 10:06

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/02/2024 08:33

There are two possible reasons the FC is putting him in tights . (1) for warmth (2) to secure his nappy.

To my mind, there are legitimate reasons to ask her to stop (1) he’s too hot (2) the feel and texture of the tights fabric is upsetting him.

There is also a non-legitimate reason to ask her to stop: tights are for girls.

You, the BM and the SW (though I find this hard to believe) are bothered about the wrong thing.

Oh for goodness sake. For the final time - we don't want him to be uncomfortable. Following on from the SW's comments mum was also worried about his dignity. And saying you don't believe it, up to you. But if SW is anything like nursing then dignity is a massive thing.

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