To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

Anyone who thinks "being a woman" can be anything other than "being an adult human female" is, to some degree, a misogynist.

The misogyny and over-stepping women's boundaries and using women's spaces and women themselves for selfish purposes is absolutely baked in to basic concept of trans identification for males. (It's different the other way around because if the imbalance between the sexes).

I don't think Bryson was trans.
The problem is that you don't get to decide that she isn't trans but your nice friends are trans.

Good decent normal people don't take other people's stuff.

As a criteria, 'what LittleCharlotte believes to be the case' can, by definition, only apply to your behaviour though.

It is not sufficient criteria to inform the behaviour of others. It is definitely not sufficient criteria for legal rights.

So absolutely fine if you want to affirm the fantasies of your friends, but that doesn't mean anyone else should be compelled to, or they should have rights to women's spaces. I'm not sure if you agree with that or not 🤷‍♀️

It's not a contradiction from me. I don't believe my trans friends have suddenly magically become the opposite sex but I accept them as it because I know they're good decent normal people who wouldn't do this out of some sick desire

You might. But a) I don't know your friends and I don't know whether they are a threat to me when I come into contact with them and b) I don't want to share female spaces with any males, however lovely.

Exactly. So people with penises, such as this person, should be described as men and sent to male prisons when they comit crime and be counted in male crime statistics, not women's ones.

They are, but those who assault women are almost always men.
And when it comes to using the penis they are always men. Without exception.

It's not a contradiction from me. I don't believe my trans friends have suddenly magically become the opposite sex but I accept them as it because I know they're good decent normal people who wouldn't do this out of some sick desire.

I don't accept those who assault and abuse women as women because I don't think they are "transitioning" for anything other than sick desire/mysoginy.

Precisely. Its ridiculous to try to pretend that a male with a TQ+ identity who does something abhorrent is suddenly not really TQ+, or that we mustn't notice male people with TQ+ identities when one of them does something abhorrent because it apparently risks people believing that all male people with TQ+ identities are criminals.

This is a population of males, with the same offending rates as males, and in terms of prison population the facts have to be faced that a higher rate of male prisoners with TQ+ identities are sex offenders. It's a fact; that this causes difficult feelings makes no difference. And these cases, and males with TQ+ identities appearing in the press for awful crimes, are not rare and unusual, there's several a year at the moment and those are just the ones severe enough to get into the national press and be well known.

It is what it is, but it means that women should not be forced to pretend that these crimes have been committed by a typical female as opposed to a male with a TQ+ identity, and that safeguarding for women and the gatekeeping of their spaces should not be relaxed to admit male people with TQ+ identities. Additional facilities will be needed to extend the range of provisions to meet the needs of all men. Prisons, hospital wards, toilets and changing rooms, refuges. And yes, I'm sure it's upsetting to a male with a TQ+ identity that he cannot have free access to women's spaces because of Katie D, Isla B, Scarlet B, Karen W, yada yada yada, but the answer is to sort out the sex offending and behaviour to women in his sex class. Not wail at women to just take the risks and assaults for his sake.

Missed the poll but YANBU

But there's a contradiction here, isn't there? The message I've heard is that you are trans if you say you are - no exceptions.

So if Isla or Scarlet say they're Trans, who are we to say they aren't? There is no criteria, that I have seen, that can be applied that negates their status.

This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are. It isn't.

I don't think that's what all transwoman are like; neither do I think that all men are like Wayne Couzens. But some are. And there is the problem.

I don't think Bryson was trans. I think there are a lot of men who claim to be because they get a kick out of it. This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are. It isn't. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm not policing people's thoughts, but personally I accept there are genuine trans people and whether I believe they've turned into the opposite sex or not I accept them as that.

I don't ever believe that men who assault or rape women are actually women. Ever.

Having thought about it more, I actually think that if someone commits murder or rape, they should lose the right to 'legally' transition. Obviously they can dress how they like but people don't have to call them the opposite sex, pronouns/ new name etc and they are treated legally as the birth gender. Same as a murderer/ rapist changing their name. Should not be allowed. As condition of your sentence.

Yes. The facts are always used as a tool to serve the agenda.

@WomaninBoots that is such a good point.

I think it has already been noted on this thread but it is worth repeating...

Notice that when the victim of the sadistic murder was trans we heard all about the trans status immediately, everywhere, front and centre.
Notice that when the trans person is the murderer he is described almost entirely as a "woman" and the fact of the trans status is either omitted altogether or hidden deep in the text, behind a protective screen of graphic descriptions of the fate of the poor cat in a lot of cases. I know a number of people said they couldn't read past the bit about the cat and therefore had no clue that this wasn't actually a woman.

He will be fine. He's a big geezer

Thanks for clarifying.

I heard the news the other day and took it at face value it was a woman.i remember thinking that’s a very unusual case for a women to do that especially with the cat. I didn’t catch that she was a he until later on that day. Whatever sex the person is evil.

Jorge would have been in no doubt Scarlett was male. The PP was suggesting a woman would not have gone to the dark, isolated river place with jorge.

It is crazy how the articles can be "woman" this and "woman" that when referring to Scarlett but Scarlett is going to a men's prison because - when it comes down to it "she" is actually a man. Always has been, always will be.

There is no denying the biological fact (that Scarlett is a man) so despite all the inaccurate language when allocating the prison they have to remember they are allocating the type of "woman" that is a man.

I agree that the articles leave people confused whether Scalett is a woman - or if people spot the trans sentences they could equally think Scarlett was born a woman and transitioned to be a man.