To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

Edited to add: I think most people believe that people who transition do actually go the whole hog. It doesn't appear that many do, nowadays.

Anyway, as I said I'm not going to discuss this further as it achieves nothing - but as I said, reading this thread did give some great links for complaints to the media and that DOES achieve something so thank you for those!

Thank you.

I don't know if that is an "old" way of thinking. The people I know who have transitioned have fully transitioned - the whole, er, nuts and bolts, to put it bluntly (or lack thereof). That to me is transitioning. Identifying is just calling yourself whatever it is and putting no effort into it which is the fashionable way of doing things.

I think it's nonsensical to get ones knickers in a twist about someone's opinion as if it is some law which they are forcing you to live under. It's not. I clearly said this is just my opinion, and I'm not policing anyone's thoughts - but nobody gets to police mine, either.

But then I think it's equally nonsensical to screech "ghoul" at someone who doesn't believe a rapist with a beard & a penis is a woman so it appears it's impossible to have a calm nuanced discussion about this online. Hence I seldom bother and won't bother on here again nor Reddit! 😆

Third spaces do seem to be the ideal option - but we should still have single sex spaces AS WELL. Loos, prisons, whatevers. I don't like GN loos, etc. and wrote a complaint to a court which had one when I attended a few years ago.

The definition of 'transition' is 'Change from one form, state, style, or place to another.'.

But humans cannot transition between the sexes.

I suppose a man can 'transition' to being a partly unsexed male but he can never 'transition to female'.

(As a chemist, the misappropriation of cis and trans is funny. If we could interconvert between the sexes it'd be syn and anti not cis and trans.)

I don't know what littlecharlotte means by transitioning - and while I understand the impulse to differentiate - it doesn't make any difference to women who will be triggered by a man regardless.

I know someone who was very violently raped and the presence of any man in an intimate space is very difficult for her. 'Transitioning' would make zero difference to that. So I'm not sure why a transitioning man should be prioritised. Surely third spaces are a fairer option for all?

I think @LittleCharlotte is allowed to state her point of view, I don't think it's particularly outrageous.

Well yes, of course.

Everyone is stating their opinion. Here on this talk forum.

Telling a poster that they need to learn to read because ' I said quite clearly it was my opinion only, which I am not forcing on anyone.' is nonsensical.

I think @LittleCharlotte is allowed to state her point of view, I don't think it's particularly outrageous.

I don't really understand how transitioning is different from identifying though, - is this coming from the old assumption that a trans person is someone who wants to be the opposite sex, because I think most people still think this? So transitioning is something about changing your physical appearance to be like the opposite sex, rather than gender per se?

Either learn to read, or learn to discuss like a grown up. I said quite clearly it was my opinion only, which I am not forcing on anyone.

That's quite a bizarre response.

Yes. I think that past ‘politeness’ where women and girls were simply told that these male people were coming in is well and truly over. It was never asked of us, just forced in the first place. And now that it is certainly not ‘just a few’ and is open to anyone who just identifies, then it will never be ok again.

The numbers are increasing. As too are the images and videos and written ‘threats’ from these males gleefully telling us all that they are coming in regardless.

And to Rosie Duffield, on the awful Labour one.

It was the transgender sub-reddit linked to on this thread. I didn't realise it was a transgender forum to be honest - if I'd known it was I wouldn't have bothered posting there as they're obviously not up for debate! Which is what I posted about - that and them being misogynistic for slagging off Mumsnetters as 'bitter middle-aged women'.

Ah, I can understand! I've got some TRA posts deleted on other trans focussed subreddits for threatening violence to JK Rowling, i just lurk.

Can you verify your definition of transition vs identify please, LittleCharlotte?

It's my opinion. It doesn't have to make sense to you. It doesn't make any difference to anyone, anyway. 😆I think the toilet thing should be way it has been for decades where people who were transitioning could use the loo they wanted. It's very rare that this happened and nobody really noticed - I certainly didn't. But transitioning is different to "identifying". So no, I don't think you should get to use women's spaces just because of how you identify.

It was the transgender sub-reddit linked to on this thread. I didn't realise it was a transgender forum to be honest - if I'd known it was I wouldn't have bothered posting there as they're obviously not up for debate! Which is what I posted about - that and them being misogynistic for slagging off Mumsnetters as 'bitter middle-aged women'.

@LittleCharlotte I'm trying to follow your logic.

Do you believe that good trans women should be allowed to be in single sex spaces for women?

Do you believe that bad trans women are men and should not be in single sex spaces for women?

Sorry meant to quote you.

It's ironic that I've been banned from the Reddit forum for being transphobic

@LittleCharlotte

I sympathise, the whole site or just one or more subreddits? What did you say? It's happened to me before so I use my Reddit account entirely for lurking!

Either learn to read, or learn to discuss like a grown up. I said quite clearly it was my opinion only, which I am not forcing on anyone. Nor do I disagree with almost everyone on this thread - quite the opposite and I too am sending complaints to the publications listed in the thread. Thank you to whoever provided information on how so to do. As for 'reading and educating myself' - I've spent years doing this. I just happen to believe that trans people exist. But what I don't believe is that their rights should trump those of those who don't transition (I hate the word 'cis' and won't use it). I've never said it should. If you have a penis, you do not get to be in a woman's area. You do not get to be a woman.

It's ironic that I've been banned from the Reddit forum for being transphobic and now I'm apparently championing the "self ID" cause on here. 😆Anyway, OP, no you are not being unreasonable and we must not - and will not - be silenced by those who would like to make out we are. That's my answer to the poll.

I don't think someone who shares one characteristic with someone will necessarily share any other - that's a bit reductive.

What I see is people pretending there is no definition of woman any more to distinguish women from men, which has consequences for single-sex spaces and anything designated as being for one sex or the other (and data based on that distinction).

The only criteria of being trans is to say you are trans.

Not according to @LittleCharlotte who decides whether people are good and therefore allowed to be trans or bad in which case they are deemed not trans.

This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are.

That isn't the 'danger' at all. You're just jumping on the bandwagon, and belittling/insulting women's intelligence, by asserting it is.
The plethora of issues and concerns women have (and how the media, the law and some sections of society approach those concerns) are widely and succinctly well noted, you should consider reading up sometime and informing yourself.
Just this week we've had examples of the media giving greater respect to the 'rights' of an animal torturing muderer than to a woman (JK Rowling in this instance) who dared to ask the media why they were spreading misinformation. THAT is the danger.

Considering there are teens on tik tok claiming they are trans because it is a lifestyle choice for them, and since the support groups lobbied successfully to remove any diagnosis needed for treatment, the trans community has to accept the full result of their mantra ‘anyone who says they are trans is trans’. They have drummed it into workplace training, schools, medicine, to governments and the like. They cannot now claim there are any exceptions.

The only criteria of being trans is to say you are trans. There's no external checking of gender identities or even any criteria whatsoever that makes you one gender identity or another.
TRAs argue that gender dysphoria isn't required to be trans.
These are the people that can't name one difference between a man and a woman. It's all about abstract words now.

Well, just so you know that your personal belief is considered just as ‘anti-trans’ as disbelieving anyone is trans.

As people have pointed out though, male people with trans identities should be considered to be at least the same risk that all other male people in the UK of committing sex crimes. Unfortunately, your personal belief doesn’t even come into it.

In fact, whether a male in the UK is ‘trans’ or not has made no reduction in the statistics surrounding ‘trans’ people committing sex crime vs all other male people. It can be said that ‘trans’ may be irrelevant when it comes to assessing the risk level from a safeguarding view.

The base of being a ‘male’ person is still the reliable indicator.

Your personal delineation of who is and is not ‘trans’ doesn’t reflect the material reality.