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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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WomaninBoots · 28/02/2024 22:37

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 22:25

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded/

'Transgender cat killer’s crimes recorded as carried out by a woman

Scarlet Blake sent to male prison but the murder of Jorge Carreno will be recorded as a female offence, police confirm'

Well that's fucking mental.

Not that it makes any difference in my mind but does he even have a GRC? Or are we using de facto self ID for crime statistics now?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 22:33

FFS. I hope that will get further debate and bring further sunlight.

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ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 22:12

I guess the general hope is 'shut up shut up shut up'.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 21:07

I didn't see any of those when I looked, but a few people agreeing with JK. They must be more recent. How can TRAs disagree with anything she's said? I bet they don't lecture Pink News on reproducing "click bait hate rhetoric" Confused

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ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 20:54

Comments on her article on JKR.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 20:22

In any case, I see she is getting attacked for 'click bait transphobia articles and hate rhetoric', and I'm glad she DID report on it when no other bugger did.

Yes, me too. Is that on Twitter?

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ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 19:51

I did wonder if this journalist, who was one of the only ones to cover the case, was the source of the 'agency' story that the Guardian blamed for using 'woman' and not disclosing Scarlet's sex/gender.

In any case, I see she is getting attacked for 'click bait transphobia articles and hate rhetoric', and I'm glad she DID report on it when no other bugger did.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 19:04

Quite @Froodwithatowel

Froodwithatowel · 28/02/2024 19:00

That 'anti trans' phrase. It's a lazy little fig leaf.

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 28/02/2024 18:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 18:36

The female court reporter for the Oxford Mail who has pronouns in her Twitter bio has written a piece (which is pretty much exactly the same as the Metro) in the paper. Comments are open.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24149675.jk-rowling-say-scarlet-blake-transgender-debate/

The reporter says Maya made anti trans social media posts, and calls ForWomenScotland an anti trans group. I hope they can kick back against that, or are they just used to it by now?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2024 18:36

The female court reporter for the Oxford Mail who has pronouns in her Twitter bio has written a piece (which is pretty much exactly the same as the Metro) in the paper. Comments are open.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24149675.jk-rowling-say-scarlet-blake-transgender-debate/

popebishop · 28/02/2024 17:30

Totally get you @LittleCharlotte it's a lot to take in and tbh I genuinely could not believe that I knew people who were fully on board, I questioned it at the time (TW now meaning any self-id as whatever a woman is now supposed to be) and just got told how transphobic it was not to accept every person who self IDs as that identity, for all purposes, at all times.
Including if you are only attracted to one sex or only want to be in a space with one sex at any time... the gender feelings override this.

PhoenixStarbeamer · 28/02/2024 16:33

He/She is in a male prison so I'd go with that.

LittleCharlotte · 28/02/2024 16:30

popebishop · 28/02/2024 16:08

@LittleCharlotte i think in the past 5-10 years TRAs have moved on to say that identifying as something means you literally are it, and gender is not sex so physical transformations are not required because being a man/woman is totally uncoupled from being male or female - it's all about your feelings.

So a lot of people may have agreed with you but that is now seen as transphobic.

"Socially transitioning" is a thing and is more akin to what you call "identifying".

Yes, and this is a massive problem - very dangerous and frightening, not to mention infuraiting. I'm not sure where this started but I knew very little about it until I made the mistake of going on Twitter!

PassingStranger · 28/02/2024 16:27

Whether man or woman, this creature made me feel sick.

Tortured a cat, murdered someone. How disgusting and sick.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/02/2024 16:23

popebishop · 28/02/2024 15:00

So transitioning is if you want to change sex, and identifying is if you want to change gender? Just trying to understand. (And by "change gender", they mean "realise the gender they always were")

Don't try to rationalise it, there's no consistency or rationality to any of it.

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ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 16:15

Sarah Jane Baker castrated himself while in prison*. He's a violent thug who has called for 'terfs' to be 'punched in the fucking face'.

Castration doesn't make a man a woman, nor harmless.

*he alleges he ate his testicles after removal.

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WomaninBoots · 28/02/2024 16:13

So males are allowed to take women's stuff if they chop their dick off?

Gotcha.

You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with it.

A woman is not a dickless man and a male presence still violates a female only space, dick or no dick. I don't think women's spaces and women themselves exist for the therapeutic validation of even the most distressed of males.

popebishop · 28/02/2024 16:08

@LittleCharlotte i think in the past 5-10 years TRAs have moved on to say that identifying as something means you literally are it, and gender is not sex so physical transformations are not required because being a man/woman is totally uncoupled from being male or female - it's all about your feelings.

So a lot of people may have agreed with you but that is now seen as transphobic.

"Socially transitioning" is a thing and is more akin to what you call "identifying".

SaltySoo · 28/02/2024 15:46

Which is a heck of a lot of work and makes me (at least) think that you're serious about it, and must have been very miserable in your previous body to go through such surgery.

I used to think this too. That people who would choose to have irreversible surgery on their bodies and take hormones must be absolutely sure that they were making the right decision.

That they would have had counselling and they would know that they could never go back to their natal sex. That they would have been told about all of the side effects and what they would have to do to maintain their new body. Not just the drugs but things like inserting something into the constructed vagina so it does not heal up.

But I don't think that any more.

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ArabellaScott · 28/02/2024 15:40

For me the correct pronouns are what an individual prefers, be it he/she/they

Does this extend to neopronouns? Should the media have respected Scarlet's cat gender? Scarlet was microchipped and recorded on a pet database - this seems like a serious procedure to 'transition' into his catself.

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TooOldForThisNonsense · 28/02/2024 15:36

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 18:36

For me the correct pronouns are what an individual prefers, be it he/she/they. Turning it round on you - do you think a transgendered witness or victim shouldn't have their preferred pronouns used? A recent very sad example being Brianna Ghey.

I don't think victims should be compelled to use any particular terms, giving evidence is traumatic enough. But that is a very different argument to the use of preferred pronouns by the press.

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No, I don’t. In general, I don’t call males “she”. I value my own right to speak the truth above the feelings of trans people and their families. I may choose, on occasion, to deviate and use preferred pronouns. I probably would to Brianna’s mum. But do I think Brianna was a girl? No, I do not.

LittleCharlotte · 28/02/2024 15:35

You can't change sex, ever. But - as far as I understood it, anyway - transitioning means doing all you could to change your body into that of the opposite sex. Which is a heck of a lot of work and makes me (at least) think that you're serious about it, and must have been very miserable in your previous body to go through such surgery.

Identifying is just saying you're xyz and expecting everyone to go along with it.

popebishop · 28/02/2024 15:00

So transitioning is if you want to change sex, and identifying is if you want to change gender? Just trying to understand. (And by "change gender", they mean "realise the gender they always were")