Page 30 | To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

ArabellaScott · 2024-02-23T15:42:32+00:00

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat. He is not a woman. This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122]]

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 23/02/2024 17:40

I got as far as "Scarlet, also known as Alice, of Crotch Crescent..." and lost my cool, shouted loud enough to set the dog off.

This is utterly bereft and yes, I'll be complaining about as many as I can find

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:38

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people

HE lost that respect when he tortured the cat and killed a man 🤬😡🤬

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/02/2024 17:38

What about respect to material reality?

Original poster

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:38

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

Well, they don't. This will be recorded as a 'female' crime. The police record according to self ID'd gender, not GRC or sex.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female/

UK police record male rapists as female under self-ID policy • Fair Play For Women

Police now record self-declared gender identity instead of birth sex; even when the crime is rape. Transgender status is only if the person is a victim of transgender hate crime. We can reveal...

https://fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female

OP posts:

GrandDuchessOfBillericay · 23/02/2024 17:37

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

What about respect to the victim?

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:36

Who the hell are the 7% who think YABU? Show yourselves.

Stillamum3 · 23/02/2024 17:34

Have complained to the BBC - better get on to the Guardian now! I feel so insulted by this! I really cannot understand why they don't report the FACTS!

WomaninBoots · 23/02/2024 17:33

Who the actual fuck is saying that the OP is being unreasonable?

Go and have a word with yourselves you absolute vacuums.

DontWasteMyTime · 23/02/2024 17:30

HE is a MAN, a thoroughly nasty one at that. HE should go to a prison for MEN and be at the mercy of other violent bastards in there.

GrandDuchessOfBillericay · 23/02/2024 17:29

PonyPatter44 · 23/02/2024 16:42

Scarlet Blake was on remand (i.e. not convicted) in a mens prison.

I completely agree with you that only a tiny minority of offending men are ever charged or convicted. However, the ones that are remanded will go to male prisons. The prison service may use their preferred names and even pronouns, and let them buy lipstick on the canteen, but they won't be going to womens jails.

Show quote history

So shit, but not as shit as it was.

Not good enough.

Original poster

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:27

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:12

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

The Guardian perfectly respects the genders of Scarlet Blake and Ashlynn Bell.

Guardian readers will be absolutely unaware that either of them are male.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

And the Guardian isn't regulated by Ipsos.

Complaints can be made to the Reader's Editor:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/complaints-and-corrections

OP posts:

Socoldhoney · 23/02/2024 17:26

takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

So while human blake kills humans and while cat Blake kills cats?

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:24

takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

Well that’s one fucking cat that needs to be in a blender balls first. 😡🤬😡🤬😡

takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

Original poster

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:12

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

The Guardian perfectly respects the genders of Scarlet Blake and Ashlynn Bell.

Guardian readers will be absolutely unaware that either of them are male.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

Cat-killing woman guilty of murdering man as he walked home in Oxford

Scarlet Blake, 26, brutally attacked Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, and left him to drown in July 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

OP posts:

DuesToTheDirt · 23/02/2024 17:11

Pinkfrlls · 23/02/2024 16:07

Who cares what gender they are? I'm horrified by that cruel sadistic behaviour. It wouldn't be any better if it was done by a person of a different gender.

Yes, it's a horrible crime, and it's in no way a woman's crime - torturing and killing a cat, then going on to find a victim on the streets, and murdering a complete stranger. I find it very offensive that the word "woman" is being used to describe this nasty piece of shit.

It also matters for crime data - who commits what crimes, and where? Who poses a risk, and to who? How can we reduce crime? What prisons should they go in? Calling him a woman is A FUCKING LIE and it's time the lying stopped.

QuirkyKhakiCat · 23/02/2024 17:08

this really upsets me. What totally despicable and horrific crimes this person - this man-has committed. The least we can do is record them correctly and make sure they are punished appropriately
these are crimes committed by a man, and should be clearly labelled and recorded as such

Waffleson · 23/02/2024 17:08

Well at least the judge spelt out to the jury that this is a transgender woman. But I think many members of the public will have read the headlines and thought "how could a woman do this". It's just ridiculous and we are now at the point where if you see a woman reported as having carried out a violent or sexual crime, your first thought is "oh it must be a transperson". Which of course may not be the case.

Original poster

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:08

Yes. Re risk assessment:

Another case that is relevant: Andrew Miller/Amy George, who abducted and abused a girl in Scotland, convicted last year. Judge's comments:

'The mode of abduction itself is also in my view a significantly aggravating feature, if any were needed in such a case, and here to speak plainly I am referring to your female presentation as you invited your victim into your car. One only has to ask oneself the simple question: would an 11 year old girl have willingly entered your car had you presented as a man? The answer is that obviously she would not.'

(Content warning, CSA, graphic descriptions)

https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

The Miller case was also subject to obfuscatory reporting - thread on here was deleted; he was reported as a man and at first no mention was made of the fact that he was transgender.

HMA v Andrew Miller

https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

OP posts:

popebishop · 23/02/2024 17:03

EdinGirl · 23/02/2024 16:09

The statistics being messed with is a HUGE issue.

Because we (historically) could see how disproportionately men attack women (sexually or physically) and how women usually aren't carrying out these kinds of crimes.

If they start saying that trans women are women and include them as such in the stats, it will start to even up the gap.

This then will begin to suppress and silence the truth and give everyone from a dickhead in the pub, to our government, the right to say "pish posh" about what women face and start to turn women into the villains also.

It's just fuel for the red pill incels to say "Women Do It Too" 🤢

Exactly. Assessing risk is essential in so many parts of life. If we use flawed data, the decisions made informed by assessments of those risks will be flawed.

popebishop · 23/02/2024 17:00

Notamum12345577 · 23/02/2024 16:26

Well, the person is legally a woman (whatever our personal opinions are on that fact) so complaining to the BBC is not going to change anything.

Are they legally a woman, or legally female, both, or neither?

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 16:58

So can we have the original thread reinstated @mumsnet, now we were proven right? 🙄

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/02/2024 16:55

Said this on another thread.

Males who identify as women make up a tiny percentage of 'women'. But when a horrible crime like this is committed, many people instantly start wondering if it's a male 'woman'. And they're usually right. What does that tell us?

Cheesehound · 23/02/2024 16:54

Pollyannamex · 23/02/2024 16:53

This is exactly what I thought when I skim read it, and now it all makes sense

Show quote history

Ditto.