To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

#NOTOURCRIMES

This is really highlighting the absurdities of this utter nonsense. The crime is recorded as committed by a female yet this 'female' is housed in the male prison. So definitely not a female yet news media cannot bring themselves to report that Scarlet is in fact a man. What a time to be alive.

A penis and Dyslexia I suppose we all have our cross to bear.😀

Where did I say you can’t be uncomfortable with it because you are a man?
Of course you can. You can absolutely agree with us- and still be patronising.

I responded to your tone. Your answer has been to attempt to bolster your position by referencing your 40yrs interacting with the police, including the commander.

I didn’t call you a misogynist. I would say you are steeped in unconscious bias. You are assuming your relative experience and wisdom is greater than that of other people on this board. Based on what, out of interest?

As for Brianna- it’s been pointed out that when the victim is trans that’s front and centre in the coverage. When the perpetrator, it’s muted. Most people here are very concerned about the transing if children. It’s wrong on many levels. We wouldn’t distress Brianna’s friends and family by making an issue of it though.

I assumed nothing the only that you are making an assumption based on me being a man excludes me from being uncomfortable with what has transpired.
And further to that after 40 years of interacting with the police upto the rank of Comander I would be naive enough to believe a desk sergeant would be processeing a complaint of this magnitude. Then to top it off when I explain my position sombody else is that up them selves to say that my objection to being labeled as a obvious mysogenist is perceved as Scolding the little women,
Im going to leave you with this one
A trans child was brutaly murderd by two other children a male and female where found guilty and jailed for life for Briannas murder throughout the trial Brianna was referd to as her. I dont know but did you object to Briannas chosen Pro noun in that instance or was it to much of a prickly issue to pick up ? As I said earlier an incredibly difficult issue .

The Government has already said that males committing crimes should be recorded as male people.

This is this force choosing not to do this. The PCC can deal with the complaints, I am sure.

Quick hint- you could say ‘I’ve written to my mp about it, I got their contact details here. It’s another avenue of complaint.’

Instead you told us what to do. Suggested what we were doing was wrong and wasting police time.

I’m sorry to go on at length but you seem to have missed the cause of everyone’s irritation.

Don't be silly! No woman could possibly do more than one kind of political action. If one tried her womb would fall out or dry up or something. Please listen to the beer man.

You suggested as it was ‘close to our hearts’ we hadn’t engaged our brains.

What is the role of the PCC, in your opinion? Ours is usually a politician. It’s generally where residents raise issues of policing, outside the force. I’d say it’s exactly the right place.

Right, but you told a group of people who are active and organising they were doing it wrong.
You assumed that they are not lobbying MPs. You assumed their complaints are landing on the desk of some overworked front desk sergeant who has to ease knee deep through papers to address real crime.

Yes but its not missconduct is it, its a procedual issue that would have to be corrected with new legisation, I am on your side!

Was what I said realy worthy of such a terse reply and an overt display of stereotyping

Yes. You sounded incredibly patronising, and as you don't seem to be aware of the function of the PCC, that made it even more worthy of a "terse" response.

Man is arrogant, superior and patronising to women, and attempts to teach grandmother to suck eggs.

Women fail to respond in a suitably grateful manner.

Man is Offended and scolds. Since the issue is obviously that there's something wrong with the women. (#theservicehumansarerevolting)

Plus ca bloody change. Gawd all this misogyny is tedious, is there a way to put this decade on fast forward?

Is that what you believe Im doing?
Or do your inherant predudices prevent you from listening to a point of veiw other than that of your own. Was what I said realy worthy of such a terse reply and an overt display of stereotyping. 🙄

I'm so busy being kind and polite and ladylike that I've no time to think about how to do feminism at all. So helpful to have a man come along to tell me.

Glad you're here to mansplain how to do feminism to us. Thanks.

And with such eloquence and erudition too.

It’s so helpful @ArabellaScott Let’s face it, we aren’t used to these kinds of issues, campaigning and stuff, and we are all feeling quite emotional about it. I mean, it’s heard to think straight over the upset. And my baby needs feeding so that’s distracting too.

I understand this is an issue that is very close to your hearts, I understand that many of you find the fact that this meatbag is alowed the privalidge of identifing as a Women Galling to say the least but swamping the police with complaints about the issue isnt the way.
Its a matter for Parliament uou should be lobbying your MPs, Not over streched police officers who most probably agree with you but cant say it. Form a collective and speak to your MPs.

PACE 1984 Part VI Sections 66 and 67 specify Codes of Practice for England and Wales. (Devolved for Scotland and Northern Ireland.)

The Home Office published new and revised PACE codes of practice relating to conduct and procedure.

28 FEB 2024 Police Commissioner Barber for Thames Valley wrote to Home Sec to review Code C Appendix L which sets out how police "should identify and record an individual’s gender."

He asks for police to be required to record birth sex, "as well as someone's preferred gender."
"Home Office policy allows Forces to record birth sex in crime counting rules, but this remains voluntary and therefore does not allow the information to be required from detainees."
https://www.thamesvalley-pcc.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/James-Cleverly-PACE-CODE-C-280224.pdf

Code C ANNEX L [DEC 2023]
ESTABLISHING GENDER OF PERSONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEARCHING
AND CERTAIN OTHER PROCEDURE
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6580543083ba38000de1b792/PACE+Code+C+2023.pdf

Begins (para 3):
"In law, the gender (and accordingly the sex) of an individual is their gender as registered at birth unless they have been issued with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) under the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA), in which case the person's gender is their acquired gender. This means that if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman and
they must be treated as their acquired gender"

But then we read (para 4):

"(a) The person must not be asked whether they have a GRC (see paragraph 8);"

which is why Commissioner Barber's letter says it will require a change in PACE 1984 because of conflict with disclosure restrictions under GRA.

It is startling to note the use of language and how primacy is given to 'gender': Barber letter frames birth sex as additional information, not the primary thing that it should be, and the wording of the Code Annex L goes further in installing gender as what's registered at birth and implying that sex derives from gender, an inversion which is surely only the case with certificated sex under GRA - an exception, not the general rule. It is as if we've all been dragged in and corralled under the GRA and nothing exists outside it. GRA was never meant to supersede the reality and concept of sex as what we are born with and record in official documents and in general use was it? Yet here we are with the consequences, at least in official Policeland.

There's a great deal more to Annex L which I haven't read - I dread to think what else.

Little Charlotte, I know the thread has moved on but how can women tell if a trans woman has 'transitioned' or not when it comes to including them in women's single sex spaces?

Most don't have any surgery, indeed as others have stated, it's transphobic to suggest they should apparently.

So isn't it easier to keep spaces single sex and keep all trans women out?

Thanks - I used the same link but went through the complaints channel. I'll try emailing direct.

@LittleCharlotte
I just emailed the PCC at Thames valley - the link was put in (by Arabella) above.
I basically stated that 'reports throughout the media are stating that...'